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    in an attempt to keep migrants from being homeless in overcrowded sanctuary cities.

    You know that he could have done an EO mandating temporary non-carceral shelter instead, right? Instead of leaving them likely homeless and otherwise suffering on the other side of the border where Mexico is at least as ill-equipped to deal with them currently as US sanctuary cities.

    detained the children in facilities where they were physically and sexually abused

    Incorrect past tense. Biden is perpetuating that.

    Yup. They’re the basically the same thing

    I’m saying that arbitrarily limiting all immigration is Trumpian in its combination of xenophobia, lack of positive impact and overabundance of negative consequences. Which it is. It was literally one of the cornerstones of Trump’s immigration catastrophe.

    “Sanctuary cities are being overrun by immigrants” is literally taken from the GOP propaganda playbook ffs!

    What I’m NOT saying is that this makes Biden and Trump otherwise identical, so you can stow that strawman.

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      “Sanctuary cities are being overrun by immigrants” is literally taken from the GOP propaganda playbook ffs!

      Well, Democrats’ new positions on immigration are lifted from the GOP policy book, so why not use Republicans’ insincere bullshit for punishing brown people for existing as well?

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        I wrote overcrowded, not overrun. They’re not taking over, they’re fucking homeless. Get off your high horse and realize that being homeless in the streets of NYC is not how we should be “sheltering” a migrant or refugee.

        Hochul provided NYC with migrant funding for a year, and the funds are already allocated. There’s no more money to buy or rent buildings for shelter. As migrants leave, they let in new ones. That didn’t stop migrants from making their way to NYC and living in the streets and subways. That’s the literal definition of overcrowding.

        I’m 100% for migrant and refugee support. That requires funding. Congress won’t give us money, so Biden’s restricting the flow of migrants.

        https://www.cityandstateny.com/policy/2024/03/where-are-asylum-seekers-living-new-york-city/395176/

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          I wrote overcrowded, not overrun.

          And I wasn’t quoting you, was I?

          They’re not taking over, they’re fucking homeless.

          Oh, I can see how that’s worse. You might have to see them.

          Get off your high horse and realize that being homeless in the streets of NYC is not how we should be “sheltering” a migrant or refugee.

          Turning them away entirely isn’t preferable. “Remain in Mexico” isn’t preferable. You’re using Republican talking points to defend Republican policy.

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            Your narrative twisting is abhorrent. You implied that my description of overcrowding, when referencing a city that has no shelter to offer migrants, was akin to the Republican calls of being overrun, which implies some migrant takeover. It’s wrong, and either you are being manipulative, or you don’t know the definition of those words.

            I’m very compassionate for these people. They absolutely deserve our support in the form of amnesty and shelter. They should be entering the country and given resources to support them while they recover from a horrific journey, and decide if they want to naturalize or move to another nation.

            You say a lot about what Biden shouldn’t be doing. I’d love for you to make a suggestion on how he can address the lack of resources without the power to allocate more.

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              I’m very compassionate for these people. They absolutely deserve our support in the form of amnesty and shelter.

              And are willing to use the absence of shelter as a justification for denying amnesty. Letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

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                You still haven’t provided a suggestion of what Biden should do for them. I’m done entertaining your unconstructive criticism. Let me know if you ever have an original thought or suggestion that isn’t simply abject condemnation.

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                  Let me know if there’s a trump policy you wouldn’t support if a Democrat implemented it.