Please don't promote Wayland
Please don't promote Wayland
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Please don't promote Wayland
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Almost entirely misinformation. Saying that Xorg only used one protocol is amazing. X11 has a billion extensions. It is unusable without them.
Saying that X11 had feature parity with other desktop operating systems is delusional.
But the craziest argument is fragmentation.
Wayland is already on over 50% of Linux desktops. The two most popular desktop environments default to it. The most popular desktop environment is about to remove support for X11. The most popular desktop Linux distribution is dropping support for Xorg in October.
The only popular distro that does not default to Wayland is Mint as Cinnamon is not ready. But it too will default to Wayland within a year at most.
Even Debian Stable defaults to Wayland now.
If you want to minimize fragmentation on Linux, use Wayland.
[edit: I had not read far enough. The absolute craziest argument is “enterprise adoption”. The most successful enterprise distro is Red Hat by a country mile. Number two is SUSE. Number three is Ubuntu. Red Hat and SUSE have both stopped shipping Xorg entirely. Ubuntu is removing it in October. The idea that enterprises want us to adopt Xlibre is next level detached and deranged.]
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Excellent comment, I completely agree.
Anyway I want to add that Linux does not seek market share, it's an escape hatch for those of us fed up with commercial software.
Linux is used to build plenty of commercial distros like Ubuntu and rhel that do seek market share which is something their companies can worry about.
Plus, more Wayland support won't break existing X software. If you want to use old systems, don't expect new software to run on it.
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I got news for you:
- X11 has seen many extensions, competing standards, fragmented implementations, ambiguous “best choices” for users, etc.
- MacOS and Windows have seen many API changes, deprecations, even wholesale language and architecture swaps.
- X11 is a 40 year old architecture that is far from optimal.
- The people doing the work set the standard in the Free Software world. They stopped working on XFree86.
- Part of the friction getting linux on the desktop is due to X11.
- You can still run twm and X. No one is stopping you.
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- marketshare: Who cares, and who ever cared (that much)? Developers will work on whatever they like to solve problems.
- fragmented platform: HAHAHAHA! You serious?! There's always been interest in having alternative software/solutions. Some people like having choices, especially when not all of them work for them.
- real-world impact: The impact is choice. You can't stop developers from working on what they want, and you can't stop people from using what works best for them. Choice is great.
- a gigantic step backwards: Choice is a step forward. Are you afraid of choice? Does either project address all needs? No. That's why choice matters.
- damaging the Linux ecosystem: It's people who put politics forward and make noise that cause... noise. Meanwhile, lots of people who care about what works best on their devices will choose that, be it Wayland or X11. No amount of politics fixes hardware compatibility or use cases. It's either choice or different hardware, and hardware is typically more expensive.
- casualties: Oh, the drama... Neither project takes away anything from others. People can install what they need, or switch distros if that's really necessary. Whoever needs specific functionality can use the display server supporting that. No one can stop them.
- a better way: Yes, the better way is to grow up and realize that choice is important. Asking people to not recommend whatever works for them makes no sense. They will recommend what works for them as long as others have identical or similar needs, because they know that thing works.
- what you're asking for: ... is lame. Immature even.
- to distribution maintainers: Offer the two options in discussion. I agree with this, options are important.
- governance: You know, people are free to come and go. Yes, politics unfortunately makes victims. Even you asking people to not promote Wayland is political. If you don't like politics, take your website down and don't try to interfere in people's choices. How do you like that?
- gatekeepers: Quite ironic to complain about others being gatekeepers while trying to put a project in a bad light and asking people to not promote it. If you don't like it, don't use it.
- powerless and frustrated application developers: Again... you serious?! Do you mean anyone can stop software developers write their software for whatever platform? They have the freedom to choose what to support, no one forces them to support everything.
- signatories: nameless, of course, because that level of bravery is required to tell others what to (not) do.
Grow up. You could've just asked for distros to keep offering both options, and leave it at that. X11Libre still has plenty to prove in terms of viability - it's basically a newborn. Even when you completely ignore all the politics, at this point in time there should be no surprise that some distro makers are on the fence about its future. It's like you go to work and recommend your manager to start using a 2-month-old distro in production. One last time: you serious?!
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You have to get all the way to the bottom before they admit that this is the opinion of three people. In the very first sentence, none of those groups should be plural because there is only one user, one dev, and one admin.
Very funny stuff.
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And all 3 are anonymous...
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Please stop double-posting.
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lol
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Guess I'll start promoting wayland
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You do not have to. It has already won.
Look at the list of demands these guys make. It is basically “go back to before” because even they know the ship had sailed.
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Threw in some RWNJ “we’re being censored” noise as well. Fits with the XLibre crew.
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is this badly done satire on the gnome don't theme our apps thing?
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Please move on already
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Unhinged AI slop.
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you dont write letters as pages of markdown bullet points?
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Please don't spam this post.
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can't even host their own website
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I still run apps over ssh on my Windows laptop so I'm nervous about the loss of network transparency, but X needs a replacement, and we've known for over 20 years.
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waypipe is a proxy for Wayland clients. It forwards Wayland messages and serializes changes to shared memory buffers over a single socket. This makes application forwarding similar to ssh -X feasible.
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Last I looked there was no windows support. It looks like it's possible through wsl now. Thank you, I'll try it out when I need to.
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This whole document is a bunch of outdated information, misinformation and manipulation.
This particular part shows the real reason why it was written. Go promote your Nazi-maintained nonsense somewhere else.
Agreed. Also, how dense do you have to be to go on for paragraphs about fragmentation and then recommend a display server used by zero point zero one percent of Linux desktops.