It’s the difference between being in a burning building and being the same burning building while people throwing Molotov cocktails through the windows.

Both are dangerous but one is worse.

Ech, tonight sucks but please don’t make lemmy suck too.

The fact that not one comment thus far has grappled with “we might just not be as popular as the republicans” is kind of telling.

We either write of slightly more than half the country or figure out a way to win them over.

(Admittedly, there’s a slim chance where we rack up very specific sets of votes but I haven’t seen anything to make that a reasonable bet.)

Well, I for one, make it rule to always trust someone whose sources are “trust me bro” !

Why do you think it’s moderation?

And why on Earth would you think Lemmy doesn’t skew young?

I don’t think it’s moderation. I think people are genuinely less capable these days at processing news with which they disagree.

That and I think Lemmy skews young, I bet a lot of folks here don’t know anyone socially who would vote for trump.

Stop thinking with your feelings and how you wish things were Lemmy.

That’s kinda how things work here/online. Did you not notice how every poll with trump up was downvoted to oblivion?

Yeah, I realize it won’t work for most who haven’t seen the show but hoe many people like that could there be? Ten?

I ow a how much?

Appreciate the Pew link! I’d note thought that it talks about the general election, not primaries.

If the progressives don’t outnumber the moderates and centrists even within the Democratic party, then that seems a pretty good indication that American politics is roughly in line with American attitudes, which would mean democracy is working as it should.

Here’s the thing, Sanders got 43% of the primary vote iirc and Clinton got 55. This happened, despite the middle age and elderly voters showing up in significantly larger numbers than the young, presumably progressive ones. If the young voters had shown up and their vote patterns held, Sanders would likely have had a comfortable win.

What on Earth are you trying to say?

Harris and Biden were on the ballot in 2020, as were more progressive candidates. As usual, more moderates and centrists did the boring grown up work of showing up and voting in the primaries and thus, Biden won.

She was on the ballot in the primaries, which is entirely the point of the post.

Yup. Young votes don’t show up to the general or primaries at anywhere near the same rate as boomers. And sadly, democracy caters more to those who vote.

Meh, I’d be pretty stunned if Bernie had won more votes and then the super delegates turned around and gave it to Clinton.

Given that we didn’t get anywhere near that, it’s a moot point. Let’s get the majority of votes in a damn primary before we start complaining about what the super delegates might or might not do.

2016 or 2020.

Totally fair point about 2024. Though I would suggest that given Sanders’ outspoken opposition to what’s happening in Gaza, we might have a very different situation in the middle East had progressives voted in sufficient numbers in 2020. (Which in of itself would be a good thing but when I see complaints about Harris also being bad for Palestineans, this is my first thought.)

Frankly, I’ve seen a lot of stupid “the Dems are evil too” nonsense here, I’ve seen a lot of complaints about the parties being the same and other nonsense.

The point of this meme and thread is to remind people that the choice between Harris and trump is entirely because the progressive wing doesn’t show up to vote in the primaries while the moderates do. Some do vote but not enough. And frankly, if you break it down by demographic, it’s the youth/young middle age that don’t show up and get crushed by the elderly who vote.

BUT amidst all the complaints, I never see anyone say “damn, if only more of us had voted in the primaries.” And if we had, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

You’re devolving into insane hypotheticals.

Fewer Palestineans die under a Harris term than a trump one and you are refusing to help.

That’s the sum total. Have a happy Halloween.

So according to your logic then, no one should worry about this logic as Harris has roughly half a billion more than trump?

https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presidential-race

meanwhile they literally turn out way higher than any other block of voters in EVERY election.

I’d love to see a source for this. Especially as Clinton won 55% of the primary votes compared to Sanders’ 43%, were the progressives secretly voting for Clinton? Or do those elections not count even though, especially to a progressive, they’d matter more?