This is the type of delusion that eventually leads to fascism any way

“Hey don’t try to change anything because obviously only one of two people can win”

“Hey you have to change things from the inside of the party, you can’t just have a third party even though every half decent western government has multiple parties”

“If you don’t want to vote for a genocidal enabler of capitalism and class separation paid for by the same people who pay for trump/hitler, then you’re voting for trump/Hitler”

“You have to bring the super nuts authoritarian fascists into the group, and exclude the actual left wing people who are screaming for basic decency and rights for everyone”

“Oh no how on earth did the crazy right wingers take over the entire country who could have seen this coming? It’s totally not the fault of a governmental party that can’t sort their shit out and take on policies that a majority of it’s constituents want, but instead keeps sliding as far to the right as possible every time they have to move”

You’re just making complete straw man arguments right now because I never defended the US once in my statement. I said Israel is running an apartheid state and maybe Hamas wouldn’t be an issue if they weren’t.

Yes the US is distinctly involved in Israel and the repression and genocide of the Palestinian people, and has been since 1948. However, that does not take away any blame from the Israelis being a violent apartheid state committing a genocide. And yes, I absolutely do blame them for being racist because Israel was the one who has created the conditions for this and every previous war in the region.

It is absolutely not unreasonable for people who were living in that land and were dispossessed of their land through no fault of their own, who are currently still being dispossessed of their land, and who are living in an apartheid, as they have been since Israels formation, to fight back against their oppressors.

By that logic the native Americans should never have fought against the colonialists and the Indians should never have fought back and killed any British. More recently by your logic Ukraine should not have fought back against Russia.

You have a right and an obligation to fight an invading power.

I think Israel not running n apartheid state would do a hell of a lot more to change the minds of Palestinians than anything Hamas says

If the US stopped supplying Israel so would the others pretty fast

England has already started pulling back They don’t get Chinese bombs

Israel does make weapons yes, but nowhere close to the level that the US does.

Again, the US has fully financed this genocide. If Israel could just make their own bombs at this rate they would not be getting billions every week from the US to buy US bombs

…? Where the fuck do you think they get their weapons? Why do you think the US has been approving billions of dollars of weapons sales to Israel per week for 10 months?

If the US stopped sending weapons Israel would have a week or two max of bombing left, using AMERICAN bombs

You’re just blatantly incorrext

Biden is entirely in the position to end things by just not supplying them weapons and money every damn week

Let him go who would take him? If he’s not here he’s not useful to Putin he can fuck off to Russia if he wants he’ll probably meet a window or a teacup soon in that case

You’re not wrong. He’s trying to retcon everything and people are lapping it up for some reason

46000 Afghani civilians died in total. Israel has done four times as much as that in 10 months, all funded and signed off by Biden.

Did you read the Lancet study?

Nah he just gives money to Israel so they can bomb every hospital, school, and an entire people off the face of the planet.

And then says he is disappointed

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Nah what you said just doesn’t make sense so I asked you to explain but you didn’t you just tried to insult me

Please explain what you mean

What are you even talking about?

Yeah apparently on Lemmy if you criticize Biden or Kamala you want trump to win. There’s no nuance of “hey maybe we should force a better choice than a genocide enabler who will stick to the status quo as it has been for the past 40 years and change nothing, or an orange more evil genocide enabler”

Like I absolutely don’t want trump as a president. I also absolutely don’t want my taxes and money going to kill innocent people. These are not two contradictory viewpoints but people don’t seem to understand that. Hell, even Kamala doesn’t seem to understand that based on her rhetoric.

I’m tired of the white house being concerned or disappointed by Israel. If your child concerned or disappointed you so much and didn’t change his or her behavior, you would put in some consequences. Otherwise you would be a shitty parent. That simple.

Ah that’s fair I would agree with that but I don’t think 99% of Israelis would.

Ok, but he is still supporting genocide. Doesn’t matter if he’s running. And Kamala has basically said that anyone who protests the genocide is for trump, which makes no sense and alienates a lot of people.

Democrats are better than republicans right now, I never said they weren’t. In fact, I said they were. But that does not mean they are good.

How do you get another choice if you do not stand up and speak against evil? If you just accept this is what we have, then nothing happens.

Actually I have been campaigning and calling my reps, so not sure what that has to do with anything. I never demanded you quit your job You made that up. Who’s doing what aboutism now?

You are the one who said why bring it up in an election year. The reason is that it is happening in an election year. When else was I supposed to bring it up? Before it happened? Or ten years after when everyone will say oh wow that was awful?

Sure trump supports it. But all biden says is he is disappointed in Bibi and then sends another 3 billion over weekly.

Yes, Donald trump would be far worse for the US than Kamala. That is without a doubt. That does not mean that the democrats have been good for the US. They are also bought out by corporate lobbies and they are also supporting a genocide.

People forget that if you choose the lesser of two evils you are still choosing evil.

Bringing up the fact that he will be remembered in the rest of the world as a genocidal monster does not mean you support the republicans.

In fact, it is saddening to me that the party that is supposed to be liberal/left wing is in fact center right at the absolute most. This is the same party that thought Hillary Clinton was a good choice, when she would have been a right wing candidate in most western European elections at the time.

Also, this genocide started October 2023, one year before the election. It’s not like we decided when Israel was going to batshit crazy

How? Where are they going to get all these weapons? Russia doesn’t have enough to give them. They’re not gonna buy from Iran. Maybe china but china most likely will not want to back Israel. And if the US and it’s allies say they’re done with this Israel isn’t going to attack anyone because the US would just sit back and let Hezbollah and Iran do what they want

Ew

I think you missed this users sarcasm