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  • There is yet another fundamental problem with this: It is absolutely possible to hold trials for people where some of the evidence is classified. The US does it all the time. The system that was set up for it post-9/11 is sorta bullshit, stacked in favor of the government to an almost unbelievable degree, but it does function well enough that the more authoritarian elements have been moaning about how horrible and unfair it is that they have to deal with the FISA courts instead of just "do what I say to this poor helpless person, because I am king."

    Of course, now it's all ICE, so they're bypassing the courts entirely. But for over twenty years we were running semi-due-process trials that included secret information as evidence, for this exact reason.

  • In their own moral framework, it's okay to kill literally anyone, as long as you're in charge and are willing to say a few words about "national security." Good to know, I guess. Presumably they mostly live in places where that's (for now 🥲) not the rule, and would be horrified if someone forced them to go back to places where that is the rule.

    Honestly, I think mostly what this means is that they've done a good enough job of chasing away all the reasonable people that they've entered into an increasing spiral at this point. Everyone has to be most unreasonable in order to stand out, and with no one sensible to compare themselves to, they have to get more and more outlandish in order to be the outlandish-est one.

  • It's 2025. Any minor success of his administration is being dismantled by Trump. Get with the times.

    What percent reduction in US overall carbon emissions would you define as "minor"? If you had to give an objective number to it.

    The larger point outside of that one word "minor," I think, is largely true. People really fucked up on a world-altering scale letting Trump come to power again. Were you one of them? I feel like there are a lot of them in this thread, who contributed in their little infinitesimal ways to letting it happen. Thanks! You guys should do something about that going forward, or else this stuff is going to keep happening and get infinitely worse.

    Also jesus christ, your condescending tone is obnoxious.

    Do a quick search for "LOL" in these comments. I was pretty direct about disagreeing, but I wasn't condescending until someone came up super hostile and talking down to me. I actually still kept it factual about what we were trying to talk about, which domain in standard lemmy.ml tradition they rejected with extreme hostility, but I wasn't the one that started the condescension. Condescension and hostility are strong traditions here, valued and celebrated as long as they're in line with the hivemind opinion-set. I was just better at it than the other person, and that's why they got upset, and why you're mentioning it now.

  • You expected him to single-handedly solve climate change? Start in 2020 and then by 2024 there is no accelerating pace of wildfires? And you can't support a politician unless they can do that?

    I asked what the total level of reduction in emissions his policies are predicted to accomplish are. I completely share the opinion that what someone pretends to do, doesn't matter. So what's the predicted reduction in objective terms? I feel like that's something you should know.

    Do you want me to tell you? I feel like it could be educational for you to learn on your own. You tell me, I can do either way.

  • Are we still giving Joe Biden credit for pretending to be progressive

    What was it I gave Joe Biden credit for? I feel like you might have skimmed my message because of length, and missed it. I was pretty specific though.

    Also, what's the total reduction in emissions that Biden's policies have resulted in, and what total are they predicted to produce in the future? (Or were, I mean Trump's trying hard to undo them with some level of success.) That stuff wasn't contained in my message but I'm curious whether you are aware.

  • I mean Biden tried spending almost a trillion dollars on the biggest action on climate change in the history of the US, about ten times over, and y'all didn't give a fuck. So I guess Newsom is trying shitposting instead. I don't love it either, but aiming to win elections on substance certainly doesn't either, so why not.

    Edit: I'm not able to see or reply to the lemmygrad person locally, but yes, people not voting hard enough for Al Gore in 2000 is very much a primary reason why this is happening as early as it is. It would have changed a lot of things, among them the creation of ICE. It wouldn't have been enough by any means, but IDK how any person alive in the US right now at this point in history can say that voting doesn't make a difference to the day-to-day reality we live in. This year is literally the A/B test demonstration.

  • How do you think a firefight between ICE and the National Guard would go?

    That's more my point. ICE can fuck up plenty of the helpless, and that might include you and me soon enough. But my point is that co-opting the forces that actually know what they're doing is often a good accompaniment to that idea, and they're not even making vague attempts at doing anything like that, they are doing the opposite.

  • Count your lucky, lucky, lucky stars that these people are such idiots.

    It doesn't mean they are not dangerous. The Nazis were exactly the same type of hilarious buffoons, not good at anything, until all of a sudden it wasn't funny anymore and the nightmare came to life, neverending. And the Trump people are doing a pretty good job speedrunning getting the camps up and running, they've already started on the undesirables and it's working, and they're building a huge number more as we speak.

    But still, Jesus Christ. They could have had their pick of conservative sociopath lawyers hand-picked by Peter Thiel to whip shape into the DOJ and turn it on all the domestic opposition. They could have doubled military pay instantly, and had heartwarming rallies where they assured all the troops and all the cops that finally, with us in charge, you have someone on your side in government. It would have locked in their victory like a fucking armbar. Instead, they're taking all these people whose support and agreement is vital to this thing really coming off without a hitch, and putting them into these moronic and hostile situations, literally every chance they get.

    Think about it: You're a career prosecutor, you've been busting your ass for decades in a high-stakes profession, and you're successful at it. And then one day you walk in and your boss is Jeanine Pirro and she's going to be taking over going forward.

    Just think of how the interactions with her go in the workplace. Think of watching her fuck up important things, left and right, and that just being your new reality.

    Jesus Christ man. We got lucky, a little bit, that it came in this form when it came. Their sheer moronitude has to be some kind of weakness.

  • Little few-dozen-people towns like this in the middle of nowhere are fucking wild sometimes. It's just a bunch of people doing whatever they want, for the most part. Sometimes it's fine, sometimes it's real fucked and people who grow up and leave have some insane stories and basically never go back.

    Remember this when someone tells you "voting is a waste of time" "anarchism is better, we don't need all these corrupt structures" or similar things. There's a reason why we settled on the systems we have. The corruption that fucks them up is real, sure, and it's a big problem, but it also exists in exactly the same form if you get rid of the system. It actually gets way worse.

  • It is funny that in Piefed this topic is classified under "Chilling"

  • Man, some wild shit is going to happen before 2032. All of this is one scenario, yes, maybe, but this stuff is like weather forecasting on the Titanic at this point.

  • It's not that serious a mystery.

    If you stick people in tents in the desert, they tend to die. And, not a lot of people want to be involved with something like that, and so they're making the point by giving absurd amounts of money to anyone who is willing to be involved. Same as the high salaries for ICE recruits.

  • They can do whatever they want. On the other hand, the people of the country can throw things other than sandwiches.

    People tend to get confused, even when they are familiar with all these founding documents and principles (which the current government is not). They start to think there are "rules" and they get to say what's allowed, and they can punish people who do what's not allowed, but it doesn't go the other way, because that's not allowed and they're in charge. That's not reality. Reality is, we're all just on this planet bebopping around, and if someone is in a "government" role, it behooves them to make sure the people "under" them agree with the idea of them being in charge. Because no one has a monopoly on violence or vigor.

    Even the top leaders of the USSR (starting with Kruschev) had to figure this out: He made a mostly unspoken deal with the other leaders that he wouldn't try to kill them for being potential threats, and in return they wouldn't kill him to take him out of power and replace him. And what do you know, it worked! It's better that way. The US up until now has had a little more sophisticated version, extending beyond the inner circle of leadership, but it sounds like Trump is hankering for an earlier era without really being aware of its perils.

  • I think what Trump wants them to do is put down protests, and overrule judges, politicians, and local law enforcement through violence if anyone doesn't obey. You're right that arresting random individuals is a lot of what they're doing right now, but that's not why Trump wants to send them.

  • Yeah. I don't really know politics well enough to know how realistic it is. I do know that most of them exist in a weird white-collar corruption ecosystem which really doesn't give a shit about parties D or R, working people, America's standing in the world and success or failure, any of that stuff. They just work for who pays them, and for the most part, who pays them is the rich sociopaths who are completely fine with putting all the poors in camps.

    I feel like a certain amount of it is also deliberate partisan sabotage by people who care specifically about R instead of D, but I think mostly it's just the bipartisan Washington consensus that Bernie Sanders is a loony old guy and Hilary Clinton / George W / Mitt Romney / Hakeem Jeffries / all those indistinguishable dickheads are the future of this country, because they're going to continue to enable all of "us" to get filthy rich without really having to work for it.

  • Honestly, the National Guard is a lot better trained at this kind of "dealing with large groups of angry but mostly unarmed and harmless people" situation. The cops are trained and experienced at dealing with individuals, for the most part, but when they're faced with a big protest or a riot they are often making it up as they go along.

    One thing that multiple National Guard people said after they got involved in BLM in 2020 was that they often felt like their role in practice was to protect the people against the police. Since their job is, more or less, to maintain order, and the people were (most of the time) pretty orderly and the police often were not.

  • And when he's floating in a barge off Gitmo, he'll be very mad that it was someone else's fault. This isn't supposed to happen to people like him, he was doing everything professional and right.

  • Seriously. You'd think that after 2016 when the signal stabilized and people who ignored this messaging were consistently wildly popular in elections, and people who listened to it got beat like a rented mule year after year, they'd see the pattern. There aren't a lot of fields of big league human endeavor where you can be this stupidly unsuccessful for this long and people still take you seriously and keep paying you vast sums of money to learn your wisdom.

    I suspect there's a certain amount of deliberate sabotage involved. How much of it is that, and how much is pure homegrown white-collar stupidity, it's impossible to say, although I would speculate they're both heavily involved.

  • Politics @beehaw.org

    Judge restrains Beto O’Rourke’s group from sending funds to Democrats outside Texas

    www.theguardian.com /us-news/2025/aug/17/texas-judge-beto-orourke-democrats
  • Politics @beehaw.org

    US stops visas for Gaza's children to get medical care after far-right campaign

    www.theguardian.com /us-news/2025/aug/16/gaza-children-visas-medical-care-laura-loomer
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    Oklahoma to begin controversial test to weed out ‘woke’ teacher applicants today

    www.cnn.com /politics/prageru-oklahoma-woke-teacher-test
  • Games @lemmy.world

    I just played "Slay the Princess" and it rocks, here's the trailer

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    Trump and Putin to be joined by their advisers at Alaska meeting

    www.pravda.com.ua /eng/news/2025/08/15/7526394/
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    Democrats introduce joint resolution to end Trump’s ‘lawless’ DC takeover

    www.theguardian.com /us-news/2025/aug/15/democrats-trump-dc-police-resolution
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    German court declares Karl Marx's teachings unconstitutional

    harici.com.tr /en/german-court-declares-karl-marxs-teachings-unconstitutional/
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    Trump’s attacks on Democratic-run US cities will not stop with Washington

    www.theguardian.com /us-news/2025/aug/15/trump-washington-dc-democrat-cities-analysis
  • Trump Watch @lemmy.world

    Vast Majority of 'Refugees' Accepted Under New Trump Plan Will Be White South Africans

    www.commondreams.org /news/trump-afrikaner-refugees
  • U.S. News @beehaw.org

    Indigenous Communities From Southern Mexico Refuse to Bow to ICE in California

    truthout.org /articles/indigenous-communities-from-southern-mexico-refuse-to-bow-to-ice-in-california/
  • Trump Watch @lemmy.world

    Musk And DOGE (And Others) Take Another Loss, As The Wheels Of Justice Slowly Grind Forward

    www.techdirt.com /2025/08/14/musk-and-doge-and-others-take-another-loss-as-the-wheels-of-justice-slowly-grind-forward/
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    “My Undesirable Friends: Part I” Is a Staggering Portrait of Russian Journalists in Dissent

    www.newyorker.com /culture/the-current-cinema/my-undesirable-friends-part-i-is-a-staggering-portrait-of-russian-journalists-in-dissent
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    Immigration Detention Has Become a Booming Business for Private Prison Giants

    truthout.org /articles/immigration-detention-has-become-a-booming-business-for-private-prison-giants/
  • Politics @beehaw.org

    Hispanic Democratic Officials in Texas Plead Not Guilty to Voter Fraud

    www.nytimes.com /2025/08/13/us/politics/voter-fraud-texas.html
  • U.S. News @beehaw.org

    Tropical Storm Erin expected to become major hurricane by Sunday

    www.eenews.net /articles/tropical-storm-erin-expected-to-become-major-hurricane-by-sunday/
  • Politics @beehaw.org

    Lammy admits licence error on JD Vance fishing trip

    www.bbc.com /news/articles/cg7jdkmvvv1o
  • U.S. News @beehaw.org

    Tennessee town approves plans to turn former prison into Ice detention center

    www.theguardian.com /us-news/2025/aug/13/tennessee-ice-detention-center-mason
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    'You Cut Our Healthcare!' GOP Lawmaker Drowned in Boos at Combative Town Hall

    www.commondreams.org /news/gop-town-hall-2673877639
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    San Francisco’s Ultrarich Are Blocking a Zohran-Style Agenda

    jacobin.com /2025/08/san-francisco-zohran-democratic-socialism/