That’s… That’s not what’s happening here. The USA is a rapacious, murderous, destructive, extractive, abusive force. The only reason third-world countries ally with the USA is because the alternative is suffering constant harassment, invasion, terrorism, collective punishment, coup attempts, and civil strife. This has nothing to do with some people in the USA Congress acting as a lightning rod for public ire about defending Ukraine, because the USA defunds ALL of its proxies in ALL of its proxy wars across the history of proxy wars. No one except the American people are gullible enough to believe that the USA will actually back them up a conflict. Europe has been aware of this for probably 50 years, but the rest of the world has been aware for at least a century.

We knew that at least a year ago with Starlink, didn’t we?

Fuck outta here

There is no evidence (that I’ve seen) that Russia targeted swing states and swing voters specifically as you seem to be claiming. That was the accusation levied against Trump and Cambridge Analytica and even that claim fell apart for lack of evidence.

The point is that you retorted “it’s election interference all the way down” when replying to a comment about how the USA should not be involved in arbitrating elections in other countries. You then went further to say that election interference stops at countries like Russia because the elections are fake.

But A) Russian interference in the USA is not the same as USA interference in Venezuela. Evidence: Russia did not actually manage to effect the election, only some of the discourse around the fringes. Meanwhile, the USA backed a coup in Bolivia and literally sent trained mercenaries to support them, and prop up the fake president, Juan Guaido, in order to create the problems that they can then solve with violence, coups, and puppets. And B) the USA has been interfering in Russian politics for decades, including supporting Navalnhy with literal logistics, security, and financing.

So get your fake “oh you’re so disrespectful in your communications” pearl clutching liberal bullshit outta here and stop trying to pivot your way into a safe space where your world view remains intact. If you want your worldview to be unchallenged, then stick to watching the tube and leave the discourse to people who are willing to be wrong for the sake of an accurate understanding of what’s happening in the world.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/questions-mueller-russiagate/

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/what-the-mueller-report-tells-us-about-russian-influence-operations/

Despite the Russian influence campaign, Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million votes.

So, despite Russian attempts at manipulating the population, Clinton lost because of the electoral college, an institution designed by the founders to ensure that minority land owners would always be able to override the popular will of the masses. Russia’s political meddling is demonstrably far less effective than US meddling globally.

LOL, it’s so funny how close you are and yet how far you are. When the USSR was dismantled by compradors in power and they invited the USA to come in and liberalize their economy, they suffered millions of death of poverty and their life expectancy dropped 10 years in 10 years, literally as bad as if they had been invaded and literally worse than what COVID did to the USA. So Putin gets elected on the narrative that he will reassert Russia’s sovereignty and not allow the USA and Europe to continue imposing austerity, causing mass suffering, and then he does so. Everyone in Russia gets a better life after Putin takes office. And since he’s KGB, he knows exactly how the USA is trying to infiltrate Russian politics and ensure a puppet government is in place. And yet, you can’t see how Putin is doing exactly what you’re saying Germany should do: prevent undemocratic forces from taking power by using his authority to do so.

Maybe one day you’ll get it. The USA is the fascist core and Europe is the birthplace of the USA as well as the USA’s luxury market and historical globe spanning power base. Every other country outside of them is doing absolutely everything they can to prevent the USA from taking away their ability to operate as a sovereign state, and in a lot of places that looks like authoritarianism. But in the end, it’s literally anti-fascism.

Don’t believe me? Look at the voting record in the UN for resolutions condemning the glorification of Nazis. The USA votes against it every single time.

Right, like the USSR, China, DPRK, and Cuba

Read the fucking Muller report or a summary of its findings re Russia and you’ll have your answer

Uhh, it was literally illegal to do commerce on the Internet until the mid 1990s. They changed the law in 1996 I think.

Jesus the copium. What’s actually happening is that Russia is able to rely on decades old technology because it was built to work and built to last, so 40 years later they can use it in modern warfare and it’s still effective. This also means Russia can allocate its resources to outproducing the entirety of the West when it comes to artillery shells, which is actually what’s winning this war.

The idea that sanctions hurt Putin personally so he had to buy an election is also ridiculous. He’s now a wartime president, just like GWBush was, so getting reelected is even easier now than it was when he was merely the president who reversed the 8 years of declining life expectancy after neoliberal economic reforms destroyed Russia.

Your brain must be a never ending Disney movie.

Really, someone physically in the space with direct experience of the event in question is not evidence? It’s because he’s brown and worships a god from the wrong part of the world, isn’t it?

Russia had no effect on US elections. Please update your understanding, it’s years old now. The Mueller report was clear on this point - Russia’s connections were far deeper and more effective (in both directions) with the Democrats than the Republicans

If elections changed anything they would be illegal

I mean, you say this, but liberals and even some leftcomms think Russian and Chinese propaganda are totalizing phenomena and that the USA has more liberty and is mostly reacting to the behaviors of the evil foreign geniuses who are also incompetent. So having Reuters publish this story is pretty important. More so given how much Reuters has participated in previous propaganda campaigns.

Uhh, that assumes Biden is against the genocide.

A million civilians AND the birth defect rate went through the roof after the war AND they destroyed every single piece of infrastructure they could find including water and power AND they used chemical weapons like white phosphorous which is the modern equivalent of napalm

220 years ago, in 1804:

• Haiti gains independence from France after years of slave rebellion
• The Nguyễn dynasty emperor Gia Long changes his country’s official name from Đại Việt to Việt Nam (France colonizes Vietnam 50 years later)
• The Napoleonic Code is adopted as French civil law
• Napoleon Bonaparte is proclaimed Emperor of the French by the French Senate
  • Napoleon invades Russia via Ukraine only 8 years later, recognized among the most devastating military endeavors globally
  • The casus belli was stated as enforcing sanctions against the UK
• A formal ceremony is conducted to transfer the Louisiana Purchase from France to the USA
• The Lewis and Clark Expedition embarks
• Aaron Burr killed Hamilton
• The Twelfth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which reformed the way that candidates for President and Vice President are chosen, is ratified by Tennessee, removing doubt surrounding adoption
• Morphine is first isolated from opium

It’s stunning how much of the past exists in the present. Some might even say all of history exists in the present. France’s relationship to the above cannot be ignored in the present day for obvious reasons - so much of what happened based on just 1804 is relevant to the current news cycle.

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https://www.vdma.org/viewer/-/v2article/render/81411795 shows a net 10% decrease in orders across the entire machinery and plant engineering sector as of June 2023, but that net comes from an increase in domestic orders of 9% and decrease in global orders of 18%. It also indicates that there were over 30% fewer orders from all of Europe. Meanwhile, https://www.kloepfel-consulting.com/supply-chain-news/maerkte/vda-umfrage-automobilindustrie-deutschland-6566823/ shows that, in May 2023, in a survey of 128 automotive industry companies, 0% planned to increase their investment in Germany with 27% planning to shift their investments out of Germany. And here we have evidence that total energy consumed in Germany dropped 8% in 2023, mostly because of high energy industry doing less.

here’s evidence as of July 2023 that it was already happening, and here we see their economy faltering in an analysis from Sept 2023.

Lol