100% agree, well said

That’s definitely fair. Thanks for starting the Agora thread

These are some good points, I can’t really disagree with them. Transparency and equal access to information is usually a worthwhile goal.

It’s possible that I may be coming from a biased perspective as an admin who can already view modlog and sees this causing plenty of drama down the road, as opposed to purely looking at the pros/cons for an average user. I’m interested to see how the Agora discussion goes.

Yeah I guess. I just feel like a user complaining directly to the mod who removed their post is unlikely to have a productive outcome. It’s not likely that the moderator is suddenly going to change their mind and restore it, nor is it likely that the user is going to suddenly decide that the removal was justified. You’re probably gonna need a third party to arbitrate anyway.

But I also don’t totally disagree, it’s definitely worthy of discussion.

Are moderators able to see the public modlog for their own community? Or is the modlog totally anonymous for everyone besides admins?

I’m not sure what the case is, I expected that moderators would be able to view the identity of mod actions in their own communities.

Thanks.

Yeah, I’d have to oppose you on that suggestion. Vigilante justice is rarely effective. It’s perfectly functional as is, where users can identify anonymous mod actions that they disagree with, and then raise the issue with other moderators/admins, who can deal with the issue.

Even if users could publicly see the mod names, the proper response is still to contact the admin if you believe the mod is abusing their power. Which you can already do right now. So the only change would be that users would start DMing mods abusively and making meta posts about mod decisions that would ultimately be far more dramatic and far less effective than simply reporting the behavior to the relevant authority (admin or senior mod) and letting them deal with it internally.

PTB

What does this mean?

Their comments are certainly rude, but I didn’t see anything that I’d characterize as disgusting.

U/nuke erroneously believed that Ada was deliberately removing many of the posts from NCD, but it was actually because u/CDRMITTENS had been banned from blahaj.zone months ago and was one of their most prolific posters. Despite this misunderstanding, the fact remains that blahaj.zone can and does selectively remove content from NCD on the basis that it constitutes political extremism.

Nuke was overly rude and aggressive in their behavior, but this isn’t really a case of mod abuse. They informed their subscribers that some community content is being removed by admins from a particular server, which is true and serves the community. Then they removed a bunch of comments for brigading and criticizing them, which was maybe a bit over the top.

This is not an ideal situation and better communication could have prevented it, but it’s ultimately a minor issue. A more senior NCD mod has since restored many of the comments and reverted bans. Also, they have refederated with blahaj.zone already. Thank you to u/Shit for helping to resolve this issue.

Holy chrimbus! Nice activity bro. You’re like ThePicardManeuver of cats and anime

Can we please never refer to RFK Jr as RFK? Honestly I’d be fine if we never mentioned him at all, but letting him take over the name of the real RFK is a fucking travesty and I will not stand for it.

Idk if admins need to manually approve registration applications for Mbin. Many smaller Lemmy instances are set up that way, so it may also be the case for Mbin.

Regardless, whether the registration is reviewed manually or automatically, the admin is the one who will be able to help you.

It’ll be huge in the context of Lemmy, despite only representing a small percentage of Reddit’s total userbase.

https://join.piefed.social/

https://piefed.social/

It’s another link aggregator that’s part of the fediverse, just like Lemmy or Mbin.

PieFed is pretty seamless when it comes to federation in my experience. And it’s also adding new features at a rapid pace, including some that Lemmy doesn’t even have yet. I think you made a good choice.

Btw, nice community name :) Having a clever name is surprisingly helpful when it comes to growing communities.

Mama we made it

Interesting to see Lemmy from the perspective of a Mastodon user. I never used Twitter and I have no interest in Mastodon, but it certainly seems like a tremendous advantage to be able to cross pollinate with them, given their sizeable userbase. There is definitely more work to be done on streamlining federation between platforms, but its an inherently tricky problem so I’m not surprised.

Lemmy/Piefed/Mbin are still at the stage where they are trying to complete their own core features, so there hasn’t been as much focus on bridging to the rest of the fediverse. Mastodon is a more mature software so they probably had more time to work on extra features like cross-platform federation.

The rare Gigachad double top level comment. Well played sir.

I was going to edit my previous comment but I’ll just put it here.

I understand your point, but I’m saying that private/public is not a binary concept. It’s a spectrum, and making votes visible on the Lemmy UI shifts the position much closer to the public side. It will have a noticeable effect on people’s behavior.

But I agree that it’s probably possible to correlate the voting profiles in theory. Could potentially be prevented by randomizing the profile for each vote maybe.

You should check out the PieFed concept that I linked. That seems to provide a layer of privacy managed by the local instance admin. I’m curious if you can see any obvious way it might be bypassed or exploited, because I know you have a greater technical acumen than myself.

I just had to type in the URL for your comment in the search bar and click the “Activity” field in the menu.

Believe it or not, that barrier of entry is enough to dissuade 99% of people. People simply don’t have the time or inclination to do this. But if you put a button right in the Lemmy UI, people will check constantly, and it will cause arguments and potentially defederations.

It’s not illegal to get your DNA, which is arguably the most egregious example I gave. They solve cold cases all the time nowadays by surreptitiously collecting DNA samples. You can see how heavy someone is just by looking at them. But that doesn’t mean they want to tell you their actual weight. I’m not sure about income and age, and it would vary by jurisdiction anyhow.

I’m just trying to explain that healthy social interactions and environments are predicated on some degree of privacy, and abolishing that serves no one. If you remove the privacy of voting, you reduce the incentive for people to vote, or indeed to use this platform at all.

I’m well aware that they can be viewed from other platforms and by admins. But I don’t agree that this makes them effectively public.

By that logic, everything is effectively public. Why should I be reluctant to share my age, weight, income, DNA? All of that information can be publicly available for someone who takes the time to sample a piece of my hair, check my birth certificate, etc. It’s not illegal or impossible for someone to obtain that information.

But there’s a whole world of difference between something being theoretically accessible via workarounds, and being displayed prominently for all to see. As a result of human nature, I think that allowing people to easily check votes on any post would cause a great deal of conflict.

Also, there are currently plans underway to build more privacy into the fediverse.