Dick Cheney sweet heart. Dick. But liz is also a shit human. Seems like harris is attracting alot of them with a warm embrace. 🤔

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😂 gotta love people who fail to contextualize math. Let me know you when you determine what helpful means to me, was that even the goal? Kind of an important detail dont you think?

Someday you’ll realize that your failure to understand motivation was exactly one of the points i was making. But alas i fear that day is far off.

You seem very confused. My point is people are pissy about the election because they’re absolutely petrified of trump and are acting like 3rd party votes have any impact one way or another on who wins (they dont).

RCV is related because it removes the spoiler effect making these entire conversations disappear. Which i can only count as a good thing because the conversation is stupid and most people are not capable of having a comprehensive understanding of how our election structure interacts with fptp. They see cgp’s video and think they have an understanding but completely ignore the interplay between congress, the president, the electoral college, down ballot effects.

its a common refrain. I don’t particularly care.

And what makes you conclude that violent opposition from Muslim fanatics prohibits the immigrants from being peaceful?

Who invited them to Palestinian? did they have a statue saying ‘bring us your tired, your weak, your sick?’ why call them violent muslin fanatics and not just Muslim fanatics?

We both know why jerusalum was chosen. because they considered it their holy land. we also both know that immigration is rarely accepted by local populations. just look at our own country (assuming you live in the US).

If you think I care about the palestinians any more than the jews in israel you’re incorrect. I care that American weapons and funds are committing a genocide, and act clearly prohibited by our laws. I care very deeply that both sides stop killing each other. Did you know that the biden admin, and the saudis were close to having an agreement to create a palestinian state and normalize relations with israel and the suadis on oct 6 just prior to the attacks? I wonder why hamas attacked, I wonder why bibi is going on a rampage. both parties that benefit from tense relations.

Can you imagine what might have happened in bibi just took the hit and tried to work it out peacefully? can you imagine if biden put his foot down just once early on and forced them to?

I don’t give a shit who threw the first punch generations ago. what matters is the actions that are being taken today. I fear now we’re another 4 generations away from peace.

do you have a point? what do you think I actually care about? its clearly not trump. yes person w/ the most votes wins.

let me ask you this, which is sadder: the fascist candidate or the one who can’t beat the fascist candidate because shes entirely unappealing to americans?

What do you want out of this conversation? I want you to call your reps and tell them genocide isnt okay. maybe get you to donate your time to getting RCV passed in your state. Ideally anything that gets people to stop bitching about 3rd party voters who most likely are going to vote down ballot for democrats. which if trump wins controlling the senate/house will be critical.

and yes, everyone comment is on the election because thats all I particularly care about atm ;) please support rank choice in your state so this nonsense can stop. I’m tired of watching my country kill people for no good fucking reason. I’m tired of watching people shit on 3rd party voters for having a moral conscience that is clearly superior to the majority of liberals.

I am sorry every argument against 3rd party voters is so easily torn apart by simple addition demonstrating that its harmless. if more people had a spine maybe harris wouldn’t be supporting a genocide. but then again maybe she would. either way hard pass.

What’s trumps excuse?

who cares? he never had a chance at my vote to begin with for a large number of reasons. we can just add it to the pile of shitty things trump is okay doing. but we already knew he was willing to commit genocide. this is a surprise to no one who as paid attention.

What’s God’s excuse?

dunno if i could find him i’d ask him.

What’s your excuse?

for what? not supporting harris? I’ve been very clear on this: genocide.

I’m tired of all this.

so am I friend, so am I. I’m not the one running around trying to convince people to vote for a particular candidate by shaming others using intellectually dishonest claims of ‘helping trump’, ‘both parties were going genocide, pick the lesser evil’, etc.

I want people to get off their ass and vote. I didnt vote for harris or trump, I voted down ballot. I’m also not in a swing state or a state with shitty womens rights. harris is going to win my state regardless. That being said the liberals running around spouting nonsense about helping trump when its clearly and demonstrably not true is going to lead to people not voting at all.

And that my friend is why I call this shit out. because they might have voted down ticket regardless which can only help the situation. and quite frankly im happy to treat people with the same level of vitriol that they treat others. Now I will continue campaigning against genocide and getting ranked choice done, please volunteer so people can stop being asses to each other.

ah yes, the classic ‘it was their land originally’ argument. they had to fight a civil war with the local government and won due to support from western powers.

The British government had publicly committed itself to the creation of a Jewish homeland in the 1917 Balfour declaration. Palestinian Arabs opposed this design, asserting their rights over the former Ottoman territories and seeking to prevent Jewish immigration. As a result, Arab–Jewish tensions grew in the succeeding decades of British administration. In late 1947, the United Nations voted for the partition of Mandate Palestine and the creation of a Jewish and an Arab state on its territory; the Jews accepted the plan, while the Arabs rejected it. A civil war ensued, won by the Jews.

After pushing out the Ottomans, Palestine came under martial law. The British, French and Arab Occupied Enemy Territory Administration governed the area shortly before the armistice with the Ottomans until the promulgation of the mandate in 1920.

that not nearly the same thing. as ‘peaceful immigration’ as you try to imply. I don’t particularly care one way or the other, religious fanatics are gonna fanatic. do you have a particular point you were trying to make?

beep boop.

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shrug maybe people should get a clue on what third party votes mean and stop posting the same tired, wrong, and pointless ‘theyre helping Y’ nonsense and ill stop treating them all like children.

Sorry i shouldn’t have made it so advanced. Ill try to come up with a simpler example in the future!

But maybe sit out of the political bitch fest if you can’t handle how basic arithmetic works eh?

If harris or the dnc want votes, then promote and deliver on policies that people want. If you cant well thats a them problem.

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😂 those in glass houses shouldnt throw stones. Funny that harris has one supporting her too.

Lolol invented israel to eecape blood shed. Thats rich. Because taking one group of religious fanatics and stealing the land of another group of religious fanatics never caused blood shed. Rofl man i havent laughed this hard all week. Thanks.

I dint particularly care if they court me. Harris can have all the policies in the world she cant enact 99% of them without democrats in the legislature ao they’re worth less than the paper they’re written on without yhose commitments. Its not like they have a job other than writing this legislation. Should have these bills ready to go with their signatures on them. Now that would convince me she can deliver.

Now if harris committed to arms embargo by upholding leahy w/ israel, or keeping ms khan, or promising to support striking workers with aid, id be all over her. Because she can do that.

You see the difference between me and you is i hold politicians accountable for what they can do…not what i want to hear.

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Yeah tell ne qbout it thinking not voting for either one somehow helps trump 😂 same people that failed basic arithmetic clearly. What they really msan to say is that people voting third party are not helping harris…and yeah thats the point and entirely not the same thing.

Incorrect, you can see Harris scrambling for votes from other groups the dnc has also disenfranchised. This entire conversation id proof that its not a wash. Its a net loss for the dems. There are only so many times a group can say but we’re better than those guys whole doing the exact same thing as those guys before people laugh and tune them out.

DNC wants votes?

• were is mandatory pto, sick days?
• where is universal healthcare?
• where is police/judicial reforms?
• where is labor support?
• where the fuck is my non genocidal option?

My vote was up for grabs by the dnc and they decided to stay the course. Biden lost my vote when he committed to breaking a strike and then a genocide. Thats on them. Dont like it bitch at them for running a shitty platform.

At this point the only way ill believe dems during an election is they have the bills ready to go and presigned by Congress