It really doesn’t make a difference if you are or aren’t and i presumed you were an atheist the whole time.

No one disputes the first part. However, you seem to have convinced yourself it proves your second part which it doesn’t.

So, even after having to point out that you toon completely completely the wrong point over the business owners part, you double down, despite STILL literally giving yet more examples of what were all meant to be details specifically about people giving up their wealth for God.

Somehow you’ve literally taken away the exact opposite point from the one being made every single time and you’re arguing my point, against yourself, better than I ever could.

“A special military operation”

Oh, I see, you are saying that. I forget how many people subscribe to supply side Jesus.

So, we can dismiss anything he is supposed to have said that disagrees with you but we can beleive the ones you believe agree with you? Thats an interesting take.

They gave their professions up to follow Jesus. So, its very in keeping with what I said and belied any idea that their former professions belied anything. That’s very much you drawing back from where you wanted to end up and not the other way round.

Remember that “mammon” doesn’t mean money. Had Jesus only meant money, when he said that, he would have used the Hebrew word for money or coins and not a completely different word. Even then, very few people had any contact with actual money back in those days and, of the few that did, they would only ever use them to pay taxes. So, telling people not to love something they didnt come into contact with and, even if they did, would hate their contact with it would have been a bit silly. So, he clearly could never have meant that.

Its bizzare that you go on about deliberate misrepresentations in the bible and missed one of the most egregious.

Mammon means wealth or profit above what you need to survive. “The love of profit is the root of all evil.” “If you have 2 shirts, your second belongs to the man with no shirt.”

Jesus was anti wealth and Christianity, according to what he is recorded to have actually said, is incompatible with capitalism.

Sorry, I’m really not sure of the point you’re trying to make here.

I’m not saying the bible is historically accurate, beyond criticism, or that eye witness testimonies aren’t problematic. Had I done so, the above would make a lot more sense.

All I’m saying is, of the records that exist, such as they are, he was very vocally anti-wealth. You’re replying as though you’re disagreeing with what I’m saying. However, you don’t seem to refute anything that I’ve said.

Are you saying he is recorded as being vocally anti-wealth?

By actual Christianity, I mean Christianity in line with the things he was reported to have said, as opposed to ones that directly go against them.

Maybe he was, maybe he wasn’t. Theyre still the things he’s reported to have said though.

You think thats bad, wait until you hear about the shareholders. They dont even have to pretend to work and they’ll be paid far more for their lack of trouble. The shareholders have had well in excess of a 77% pay rise and, despite that, want even more.

Crazy right? I bet that’s got you really annoyed, considering those are worse than the exact thing you were complaining about above…

Right?

I agree with everything but the fact that, of what is reported of Jesus, he was very anti-wealth, over and above what people need to get by and that a actual christianity is incompatible with capitalism.

To me, thats the part that certain types of “christians” need to be metaphorically slapped round the face with.

Some!

How do you justify ignoring everyone else telling you its bad tho?

Ironically, people say the same thing about Israel now.

“What drink would you like?”

“I’ll take a nice tall glass of the absence of water please.”

“You mean that you don’t want a drink?”

“No, the drink I’m requesting and the one I intend to drink the absence of water. Its my favourite drink.”

"So, like a coke or something.’

"No, thats the presence of coke. I want to drink the absence of water…

What do you mean by ‘I’m being ridiculous’?"

Thats a fair point but eternalism is always harmful.

Thats the one.

It will also bring down inflation as money received as tax is netted off against money created by the government, destroying that money, resulting in less money chasing things. Its the fiat currency equivalent of burning large stacks of gold IOUs (old time money).

Of course, the rich like to pretend the only way to fight inflation is to pay the richest people in the world eye watering amounts of interest.

Yeah, I wouldn’t be able to defend Israels actions either. So, I’d would have to resort to deflections and cheap whataboutery like you too.

…they then left and a whole different bunch of white people turned up to live in the land that had been recently been stolen from the indigenous Americans.

You’d have thought that the indigenous Americans would have tried to take their land back in the time between the Europeans leaving and the Americans turning up but I guess not.

Lugenpresse!

I mean, fake news!

No, you pay politicians to do that to the electorate.

What is also true is that its the mentality of a depressive who views hope as a dangerous delusion, as had been said a fair few times now.

It is lashing out, as you can’t refute it or engage it.

Dismissing a legitimate observation of our society as a silly caricature is a far more silly caricature of someone who just doesn’t like what they’re hearing.

Existence is measured in money, under capitalism. Why would you lying about it and not meaning make any difference? As long as you’re doing what you were paid to do, it would have the same appearance and the same effect. I would take the money too, as its the most important thing in society and existance is measured in it. Thats the point here. Why would I care what was in your heart of hearts?

No, none of the other systems survived an attack by a system that cannot tolerate any alternatives to live unmolested. Had any of them failed of their own accord, you might have a point there. You can’t shoot someone in the leg and then declare that their claims of being able to run didn’t survive an encounter with reality.

Trying to improve capitalism has never survived an encounter with reality. All it did was make the rich richer.

Capitalism didn’t improve feudalism. Firstly, capitalism grew out of merchantislism. Secondly, merchantislism had to be forced on people who had been robbed of their homes and were facing starvation. Had they any other option than starving, they would have stuck with feudalism.

The first paragraph is literally the same “I can’t justify capitalism but the others are worse” argument again.

The society we live in is an employment based, market fundamentalist society. It just used to be a different kind of fundamentalist theocratic rule is all.

Instead of lashing out and calling it a silly caricature, you can just say “I just plain don’t like that.” It would have had the same effect.

That being said, how much money would it take for you to change your mind about existence being measured in terms of money alone being a silly caricature? Even if you were the type to give it all away, eventually, we would find a number. Not only that, you’d be a multi millionaire and, as such, on that basis alone, your existence would be judged as an inherently good one.

The difference being that one is well documented history and the one isn’t.

If it wasn’t the CIA, it would probably be someone one. You don’t have to take it as a personal insult, if you don’t want to. Especially as it wasn’t meant as one.

Thanks for explaining what a market is.

Its a good job we have such a thing to tell us that what we really want is to work most of our lives, mostly for someone else benefit, to endlessly produce things to a point that it destroys our planets ability to sustain life. Without such a devine oracle, we might have to ask difficult questions about what we’re doing and for whos benefit.

Its a good to know there must be such a high demand for inequality too. Without the justification of the invisible hand, we might have to think about morals and other gross stuff.

But, as you make such a good point about not being able to get rid of something and just making a black market for it, as justificationfor keeping the market in its current state

Well, that and slavery of course. If the argument works for one it works for both.