Even if that negated anything that I said, you guys sure seem to think they’re relevant when they vote third party or become disillusioned and don’t vote at all. So they’re only relevant when they’re not doing what you want? Cause that seems to me like ignoring voters until it bites you in the ass.
There’s clearly enough progressives, or voters who find Democrats’ current platform objectionable, that you understand you can’t win without them. The Democrats could offer them something material to vote for, and/or they can pressure them to vote against their better senses on threats that things will get worse if they lose. They are going exclusively with the latter.
For some reason you keep getting stuck on the semantics of single words that I’ve used. Missing the forest, so to say. Ignore the word progressive (which is not the same word as leftist but whatever). There are things that are popular to the majority of this country that will motivate people to turn out to vote other than keeping Trump out of office, and those things definitely aren’t being tough on immigration or funding Israel’s war on the middle east.
So they’re only relevant when they’re not doing what you want?
There’s far fewer leftists in relevant battleground states than there are moderates who we would alienate by a hard turn to the left.
The problem with Leftist “don’t vote” rhetoric is that these moderates in battleground states…well, let’s be honest. They’re idiots. They’re easily swayed. They’re low information voters. They “don’t like politics”.
We don’t care if a million voters in California break off and vote 3rd party, as long as they do so fucking quietly. If they influence 30,000 voters in Pennsylvania, we’re fucked. Not as a party, but as a nation. It’s shit, but that’s the calculus behind FPTP.
Likewise, earning 15 million votes in California instead of 11 million, by championing Leftist causes, does not help Democrats get elected at all. But alienating just a few thousand voters in Michigan matters a LOT. You don’t win Michigan and Pennsylvania and Georgia by championing leftist causes.
So yeah. You guys are too small in number to help us win, but loud enough in voice to help us lose.
And no, I refuse to conflate progressives with leftists. I’ve seen a lot of leftists trying to co opt the progressive label lately. Fuck that. Y’all are leftists.
There are things that are popular to the majority of this country that will motivate people to turn out to vote other than keeping Trump out of office, and those things definitely aren’t being tough on immigration or funding Israel’s war on the middle east.
Even if that negated anything that I said, you guys sure seem to think they’re relevant when they vote third party or become disillusioned and don’t vote at all. So they’re only relevant when they’re not doing what you want? Cause that seems to me like ignoring voters until it bites you in the ass.
There’s clearly enough progressives, or voters who find Democrats’ current platform objectionable, that you understand you can’t win without them. The Democrats could offer them something material to vote for, and/or they can pressure them to vote against their better senses on threats that things will get worse if they lose. They are going exclusively with the latter.
For some reason you keep getting stuck on the semantics of single words that I’ve used. Missing the forest, so to say. Ignore the word progressive (which is not the same word as leftist but whatever). There are things that are popular to the majority of this country that will motivate people to turn out to vote other than keeping Trump out of office, and those things definitely aren’t being tough on immigration or funding Israel’s war on the middle east.
There’s far fewer leftists in relevant battleground states than there are moderates who we would alienate by a hard turn to the left.
The problem with Leftist “don’t vote” rhetoric is that these moderates in battleground states…well, let’s be honest. They’re idiots. They’re easily swayed. They’re low information voters. They “don’t like politics”.
We don’t care if a million voters in California break off and vote 3rd party, as long as they do so fucking quietly. If they influence 30,000 voters in Pennsylvania, we’re fucked. Not as a party, but as a nation. It’s shit, but that’s the calculus behind FPTP.
Likewise, earning 15 million votes in California instead of 11 million, by championing Leftist causes, does not help Democrats get elected at all. But alienating just a few thousand voters in Michigan matters a LOT. You don’t win Michigan and Pennsylvania and Georgia by championing leftist causes.
So yeah. You guys are too small in number to help us win, but loud enough in voice to help us lose.
And no, I refuse to conflate progressives with leftists. I’ve seen a lot of leftists trying to co opt the progressive label lately. Fuck that. Y’all are leftists.
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