• Melkath@kbin.social
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    Incorrect.

    A black market is created, kids still smoke, but poor people making a buck selling to kids go to jail.

    It doesn’t fix the issue and syphons poor people into prisons.

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      How is BolexForSoup incorrect? Also, why should anyone care if a person goes to jail for selling cigarettes to minors? It wouldn’t even be a valid source of income for these people if kids could buy them directly from the store so I’m not even sure what you’re suggesting we do

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        Prohibition laws do put people in prison.

        “Noone goes to prison for underage smoking”. False. The people selling the cigarettes, poor people trying to make a buck, go to jail for the underage smoking.

        I suggest we do nothing.

        Prohibition doesn’t work.

        Mind your own business.

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            You’re just being purposefully obtuse now.

            No. The kids aren’t the ones going to prison, but the prohibition laws do send people to prison.

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                No. I am pointing out that you are making two conflicting statements.

                You are doing mental gymnastics.

                Back to the point “Noone goes to prison for underage smoking”. Yes they do. When you make prohibition laws creating the concept of “underage smoking” you ARE sending SOMEONE to prison.

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                  If you genuinely couldn’t piece together that he meant “smoking while underage” when he said “underage smoking” then I’m seriously concerned for you.

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                    If you genuinely don’t understand how the English language works and you want to create your own form of doublespeak where you say “Noone goes to prison” but you really mean “let’s imprison poor people and still not solve the issue” them I’m seriously concerned for you.

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              No one but you is being obtuse here.

              You “corrected” someone by making an entirely different point from the one they made. In fact, the person you said was “wrong” actually stated the very thing you did.

              No one is saying your point is wrong. Just that it isn’t a correction.

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          I would argue that society should reserve the right to punish individuals who harm others for their personal benefit.

          And I would argue that selling a physically addictive substance that directly causes harm with no benefit to the user for personal profit is causing harm.

          So while I don’t support arresting people for smoking, I 100% so support arresting people for selling.

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            Again, I just see mental gymnastics.

            So you just outright said that people should be free to smoke, but anyone who sells what is being smoked should be incarcerated.

            How is that not a complete oxymoron?

            No. You have a factually flawed bias against a thing, and you want to mob up with other people to enforce your opinions and will upon people you disagree with.

            As a result, you want to imprison poor people and not accomplish what you claim to want to accomplish.

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              There is no oxymoron.

              Smoking is harming oneself.

              Selling is harming another.

              They are not equivalent.

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                    Should outlaw knife-selling cause those harm people!

                    Also should probably outlaw cars. And concerts, those are harmingly loud. Also alcohol I guess.

                    Okay, in all seriousness, I agree with you, but prohibition doesn’t work. Drugs won the war on drugs.

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        Happy you are for the siphoning of poor people to for profit prisons.

        Really sounds like your plan to eradicate tobacco from existing is solid.

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      How do you propose this black market gets created? In theory, no new addicts would get created because the smoking age rises in lockstep with the people themselves.

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        Yes, because no one has ever smoked before they reached the legal age.

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        There is already a black/gray marked near many schools (for the younger, there are cigarettes and for the older there is weed.) it’s a market where there is just one person selling, it is more a fluid market where the young people sell and buy to each other, mostly there are multiple kids with connections to get the goods in any school and then it rotates through the different kids by selling, buying, stealing etc. Source: I’m 26 now, and don’t believe that has changed since I left school.