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Thought this was about Valve’s Wine fork and was very confused 😅
Proton is starting to loose focus in my opinion. I’ve been a costumer for 5 years only using email and I moved this year to fastmail and I couldn’t be happier. Unlimited emails alias, good apps, ability to use thunderbird without a self hosted bridge.
The promise of a encrypted email does not work if your contacts are not on proton too (for me was 100% of my contacts).
If you are really focused on privacy you would choose nextcloud for cloud for example and keypass or Bitwarden for password managers.
I would like them to focus on email client features and stop this side hustles.
Proton’s whole reason to exist is to provide privacy, not email client features.
I hear what you’re saying but Nextcloud is definitely not a viable option for reliable backups. Wayyyy too buggy to trust
I can not be, nextcloud was just an example. I have never had an issue with nextcloud backups
Certainly way too buggy if you’re selfhosting. At least that was my experience. And if you’re not, the privacy component really goes away.
Fortunately, I don’t have the same experiences as you. I mean, sure, I’ve encountered bugs in the Android app, but I’ve never lost any files with my selfhosted Nextcloud server.
Setting up the Nextcloud server and optimizing it was quite a big hassle for me (took an entire afternoon), but after it was all done, I was pretty happy with it.
No, the web UI is quite slow and that probably won’t change, but the caldav server and the Windows Desktop app work perfect. The automatic upload of media on my (Android) phone has no issues at all.
In my experience, the most issues are with the web UI due to its bad performance, but besides that, it works perfectly.
I wish that proton would focus on the depth of their present stack, as opposed to breadth.
I’ve been begging for rclone support for proton drive for a long time now… without it, I basically have 1tb sitting there useless.
Same thoughts here. ProtonVPN under Linux is very poorly supported.
Wish I could up vote that 100 times!
It’s horrible. I’ve had to hack together a shell script to switch between countries using a bunch of openvpn config files. The official app broke my Linux Mint network setup.
Just out of curiosity. How is it poorly supported?
I haven’t used it much yet, but the times i have it seems to have worked fine.IIRC it’s missing a number of features that ProtonVPN Windows has. I last checked into it a year or so ago and the attitude was that it was a very shoddy application missing most features. I found this github issue expressing this sentiment but I don’t see much in terms of specifics.
I don’t have a paid ProtonVPN but I just downloaded the VPN on a free account and it only has 3 options on it:
- Secure Core on/off (only select servers in privacy-friendly countries)
- Netshield (DNS adblocking etc)
- Killswitch
I use Mullvad so I opened that up alongside and will list out the features it has on its Linux client in comparison:
- DNS adblocking
- Killswitch
- Wireguard
- Auto-launch on pc start
- Split tunnel support
- Local network split tunnel allowance
- Disable ipv6
- Custom DNS server
- Protocol obfuscation (UDP-over-TCP)
- Multihop servers
- Quantum-resistant tunnel (for Wireguard initialization)
The main ones for me are split tunneling and Wireguard. Using a VPN that doesn’t support these is a non-starter for me, unfortunately. If any of this is different when you have a paid ProtonVPN account let me know - I don’t have very much experience with it.
TBH, if protonVPN under linux was any good I would probably have Proton Unlimited. I can’t justify paying for Mullvad and Proton Unlimited, so I DIY my own collection of services to match functionality for about the same price.
I just had a look and as far as i can tell ProtonVPN suppports everything Mullvad does. On windows…
On linux you get fuckall settings. No split tunneling, no dns, no wireguard, no nothing. There seems to be no parity between linux and windows. That is less than poorly supported, it’s atrocious tbh.
On windows you even get a fancy map with triangles that shows server locations that can be used to quick connect.
And this is with an unlimited account so i don’t believe it’s an account level limit.Edit: I just looked and to be fair they do state in the plan features that Split tunneling is only available on Android and Windows
Missing lots of features. Proton does not prioritize Linux at all
I tried it and its pretty cool and polished, but Bitwarden is WAY better in every poseible way.
I agree with you there, KeePassXC is definitely the superior choice.
I’m a faithful Bitwarden user. No need to switch
Tempting. I’ve been using Bitwarden for awhile now and it’s been fantastic. I am not sure I need to switch.
Same. I’ll continue to use Bitwarden. I think it’s good to have other open-source options out there, though. Proton Pass is definitely prettier and will appeal to some people that care more about the aesthetics.
continues to use Bitwarden also.
Do not switch yet. Proton Pass offers nothing beyond Bitwarden, it’s immature and hasn’t been audited.
You can save a bit of money considering this is currently $1/mo or “free” with some package plans, but rest assured it is not as good as BitWarden or 1P and likely never will be. It’s very MVP and Proton has a habit of promising products and features that don’t see the light of day for years on end.
Proton’s value to me is the “suite” of products they’ve developed at a very reasonable price so I don’t have to manage and pay 5 different accounts.
I bought it at $1 a month because it basically includes simplelogin for free. Which is normally $30 a year or more. The catch is you can only create simplelogin aliases via the password manager extension only.
I have signed up for pass but simple login still only shows only 10 aliases. Should I be getting unlimited?
I’m pretty sure the app is great, but I am not a fan of putting all my eggs in the same basket. I will keep using Bitwarden for the time being.
Same here. I’m fine using Proton for my mail & drive, but I also like keeping my passwords separate in bitwarden, and my 2fa separate in my raivo. A healthy separation is good.
Yeah I’m quite tempted to get on board with Proton as they could replace Tutanota, Bitwarden, Nord VPN and One Drive/Google Drive for me. Seems convenient and privacy focused but obviously all my eggs in one basket seems like something I might come to regret.
This company is a love hate relationship.
They make good products, but they promise release dates over and over again, and miss them by 2+ years.
They also fuck people over by releasing apps to only their visionary memberships. Like okay. Guess my $150/month doesn’t mean shit because I’m not visionary? Glad to wait 8 months for the beta to trickle down to me…
Still waiting on the ProtonMail Android app to be remade, and ProtonDrive Windows desktop app.
Edit: wait, I need a business plan to use this? What?
Ya, I’ll stick to my $1.30 CAD per month for BitWarden over the $6 for this.
How.come u.r paying 150$/month? Havent you ment 150$/year?
I feel their business side is run by morons. I tried to setup a small business with them, and gave up when I couldn’t wrestle a price out of their sales folks after two weeks of back and forth emails.
The protonmail app seams good to me on Android?
It’s missing so much that iOS has. They’ve said they are releasing a rewritten app, but keep delaying it.
For example, there’s no threaded email support on Android.
https://proton.me/blog/2022-roadmap
As discussed in the January update, Android will require more work as we are rewriting more of the application, with a big focus on performance and stability. This means some Android features you have requested for Mail are not in our immediate scope for delivery. In particular, conversation view (also known as threading view) won’t make it into the first version of the new Android app, but we hope to deliver it soon after release.
True, no threads. I didn’t notice cause for threads I usually used the website on my laptop
Me too, I love all of their Android apps personally.
YMMV based on the phone though.
Why do you need the paid subscription? I thought it was for businesses, organizations etc.
Paid plan adds really basic features other password managers offer for free. Like auto copying of 2FA codes.
Wouldn’t be bad if I could just pay for it. The fact they are requiring me to upgrade to a different tier to do it is ridiculous. This model should be shunned hard.
I shouldn’t have to upgrade to an entirely different tier to unlock access to a different Proton service. I should be able to just subscribe to it. Especially since Proton has removed previous tiers in the past, so who’s to say if I no longer want Proton Pass that I can downgrade back to my previous tier?
Like ya, the business tier offers Pass Plus, Drive Plus, and VPN Plus, all of which I do not care about nor do I want. Stop bundling it together. Sell me Pass Plus separately.
Terrible, terrible system. I am honestly over the way they manage their company, and I really think about leaving their services for good. I’m sure when they release Proton Notes it’ll be in beta for visionary customers for 3 years before trickling down to us plebs that only pay $150/month and even then it’ll only be available on their business plan.
EDIT: actually it seems like they only offer 2FA on their paid plan in general.
EDIT 2: for those wondering, I have a mail essentials business plan customized to allow a bunch of custom domains. The fact I pay SO much just to have a handful of custom domains, but the rest of my account essentially gets the same features as a FREE Proton account is insane. I’d love to pay less and remove Proton VPN, since I literally never use it, as Mullvad is better and cheaper.
Why am I paying so much, but I am treated like a free user?
Didnt read anything about a security key or even a keyfile (poor mans security key w/o phishing protection). Im assuming its protected by totp which is fine but I do kinda prefer a security key
I think you log in with your proton account, that supports yubikeys for 2fa
Has anyone tried it yet? Two downsides for me:
- there’s no desktop app
- there’s no Safari desktop extension (I know most people don’t care about this)
It’s also more expensive than Bitwarden even at €1/mth
“no desktop app” One can use the iPad App on Mac with m1, tho sure not optimised for desktop.
“No safari extension” They announce it on their download page, so it should be available later.
I’m all for open source alternatives to bitwarden but this is non competitive with a mandatory subscription fee. Bitwarden is completely free for most users.
I thought the same thing but it actually does have a limited free plan. Seems like, similar to BW, it restricts 2FA behind the pass, but also with the pass you get unlimited hide-my-email aliases, multiple vaults to organize in (I don’t know what this means), and eventually autofill credit cards.
This is quite a bit more expensive than BW’s paid plan though. Not sure what all differences it has to BW otherwise.
Any strong reasons to switch from KeePassXC?
Probably not.
KeepassXC with Syncthing is the best option I’ve found.
Probably none, if you’re fine with KeePass. Personally I don’t want to use anything that’s hosted on someone else’s server. It’s a bit more inconvenient to use the local files of KeePass only, but I’d rather feel a bit safer with that, even if by all account BitWarden/Proton Pass would be fine.
I would say the sync feature as it may be more convenient on iOS etc
@protonmail Proton claims to be a privacy oriented company and yet their email app doesn’t show push notifications without Google Play Services means you will either have to use Google Play Services or live without push notifications (if you are using a degoogled phone). If Tutanota app could show push notifications without Google Play Services, it is definitely possible. What a joke!!
@SoulKeeper While we rely on Google Play Store services for push notifications, they are end-to-end encrypted. To stay private when using Proton Mail on an Android phone, we recommend trying some of these tips: https://proton.me/blog/android-privacy .
We are also working on a complete rewrite of our Android app, which will allow for the improved functionalities and features to be added.
I don’t think that’s true.
I get push notofications on my degoogled phone.Wait what I have no google services and I get all the notifications. I do have microG of course…
I advice anyone against switching for now, especially if you’re using KeePass or Bitwarden. Proton Pass has just been released, meaning it is not audited and it’s immature. I would not trust it with my passwords just yet.
Proton Pass has already been audited by Cure53.
Its also been in an invite beta for a few months so they would have had time to sort out major bugs and security flaws
Goodbye LastPass (I’m aware I should have migrated already but I was holding out for this)
Oh my god you’re still on Lastpass? RUN!
Not as of last night!
The most important step a man can take. It’s not the first one, is it? It’s the next one. Always the next step.
