Hector Martin (@marcan@treehouse.systems)
social.treehouse.systems
Attached: 2 images Today I learned that YouTube is deliberately crippling Firefox on Asahi Linux. It will give you lowered video resolutions. If you just replace "aarch64" with "x86_64" in the UA, suddenly you get 4K and everything. They literally have a test for "is ARM", and if so, they consider your system has garbage performance and cripple the available formats/codecs. I checked the code. Logic: Quality 1080 by default. If your machine has 2 or fewer cores, quality 480. If anything ARM, quality 240. Yes, Google thinks all ARM machines are 5 times worse than Intel machines, even if you have 20 cores or something. Why does this not affect Chromium? **Because chromium on aarch64 pretends to be x86_64** `Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/120.0.0.0 Safari/537.36` 🤦‍♂️​🤦‍♂️​🤦‍♂️​🤦‍♂️​🤦‍♂️​ Welp, guess I'm shipping a user agent override for Firefox on Fedora to pretend to be x86. **EDIT**: The plot thickens. Pretending to be ChromeOS aarch64 *still gets 4K*. Specifically: `Mozilla/5.0 (X11; CrOS aarch64 10452.96.0) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/66.0.3359.181 Safari/537.36` still works.
  • DontMakeMoreBabies@kbin.social
    2073·
    11 months ago

    Fuck Google.

    Searching a tracking number from Chrome using Google? Finds a package.

    Same search on Google from Firefox leads to nothing.

      • El Barto@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1860·
        11 months ago

        Edit 2: Well, at least I know I’m right. Downvote away.

        Sorry, I’m all for net neutrality, but behavior based on browser usage, while dickish, has nothing to do with it.

        Edit: it seems like I’m being schooled. Got any sources to back up your downvotes?

        Edit 3: nope. I’m not being schooled. The downvoters should either get better informed or stop downvoting with their emotions.

        • Zunon@lemmy.worldEnglish
          516·
          11 months ago

          yes it does, net neutrality not only has to do with the ISP but also the services. different useragent string should NOT lead to a worse quality of service.

          • El Barto@lemmy.worldEnglish
            131·
            11 months ago

            Got any source on that? I’m legitimately asking to learn more about that.

          • vithigar@lemmy.caEnglish
            148·
            11 months ago

            Right, but your service provider has nothing to do with that difference. The fact that the entity you’re contacting on the other end of the connection is providing a degraded experience isn’t an internet service delivery problem.

            Your internet service, which is what net neutrality is concerned with, is distinct from services on the internet. In the same way that your phone service has nothing to do with the quality of service you get from HP’s telephone support line.

            • ag10n@lemmy.worldEnglish
              121·
              11 months ago

              The web is based on open standards; that’s what made it universally accessible. How does limiting access based on how you access the web benefit anyone?

              • vonbaronhans@midwest.socialEnglish
                151·
                11 months ago

                It doesn’t, but that isn’t their point. They’re simply pointing out that existing net neutrality laws in the US usually only apply to ISPs and telcos, not internet businesses.

              • prole@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                71·
                11 months ago

                Nobody is defending the practice, they’re just differentiating it from what we’ve previously referred to as “net neutrality,” which is 100% entirely about how ISPs process internet traffic, and not about the services being used within that traffic.

                Unless I missed the memo, and “net neutrality” means something different now.

                • ag10n@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  11 months ago

                  Since Google is both the service provider for the client browser and also provides last-mile internet services; they would fit the definition of a supposed neutral ISP but also neutral for applications and services further up the OSI stack.

                  Net neutrality is not just a service provider concept but has been viewed this way in the cases service providers have tried to game the system. It also encompasses the concept of an open internet; the neutrality of data is data and presentation, or lack of to the client is defined by open standards, not the desires of any one party.

              • vithigar@lemmy.caEnglish
                61·
                11 months ago

                Where did I say it did? The fact that it’s not a net neutrality issue doesn’t mean it’s not an issue. Net neutrality is just a specific thing that isn’t this.

              • El Barto@lemmy.worldEnglish
                5·
                11 months ago

                Imagine a business making some smoothies with water provided by the utility company. The business decides to sell less appetizing smoothies to certain organizations. Are you saying that that’s a “water utility neutrality” issue?

        • prole@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          5·
          11 months ago

          Hmmm, not sure why people are downvoting…

          Maybe these days people are using the term “net neutrality” in a broader sense to just mean equitable access, rather than the specific meaning that’s been used in the past to refer to ISP behavior and giving preference based on how much is paid?

    • lud@lemm.eeEnglish
      271·
      11 months ago

      It also does that with other unrecognised user agents.

      Personally I don’t understand why someone would still use Google when duckduckgo has more features and is just as good for searching and in the very rare case it isn’t you can easily switch back temporarily by just adding the prefix “!g” to your query.

      • ruckblack@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        261·
        11 months ago

        I tried duckduckgo for a while and kept coming back to Google for “real” searches at work. It’s not as good for searching in my experience. Yet.

        • masquenox@lemmy.worldEnglish
          36·
          11 months ago

          Duckduckgo has become a little better than it used to be… but google has also become a whole lot worse.

          • Klear@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            1·
            11 months ago

            Yeah, I haven’t quite found a replacement that is better than google, but the way the trajectories are, it’s only a matter of time.

            • masquenox@lemmy.worldEnglish
              11·
              11 months ago

              If you’re looking for research papers, duckduckgo (and yandex) is your friend - google is perfectly unusable for that these days.

          • pohart@programming.devEnglish
            1·
            11 months ago

            an

            This is the truth. I switched back when I got a new pc at work, and google was way worse.

        • ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.worldEnglish
          17·
          11 months ago

          The vast majority of times I go back to Google to do a search I find it also returns useless results. I’m not convinced it’s any better than duckduckgo. I think it used to be, but not anymore.

          • sailingbythelee@lemmy.worldEnglish
            7·
            11 months ago

            I had the same experience. I used switch between DDG and Google when DDG gave results I didn’t want. During the pandemic, I remember DDG giving lots of false positives and odd, non-standard web page hits. Like, if I was searching for current COVID advice, it would give me hits from the health department in Bumfuck, Nebraska instead of, say, CDC (and I don’t live in Bumfuck, Nebraska). It has really improved since then and now I can use DDG pretty much exclusively. Not having to scroll past a page of Google ads to find my search results is quite glorious.

        • aodhsishaj@lemmy.worldEnglish
          10·
          11 months ago

          What’s your field?

          I’m in a DevOps/Cloud Engineer role and DDG works better for me than Google. No ads and somehow fewer of the gpt generated fake help articles.

        • brbposting@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          4·
          11 months ago

          Big same. I’ll even bang out to Startpage to try to avoid directly using Google (!sp vs. !g), but that’s not as good either.

          I bow to my search overlord Google. Until I try Grasp, Kagi, and SearXNG, and hopefully one of those will satisfy (in particular SearXNG).

          Until then DDG remains my default, and I’ll !g half the time :(

      • ByteJunk@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        11 months ago

        I really want to ditch Google, but DuckDuckGo aint there my brother.

        It may work for some simpler/lazy searches, but for real stuff, nah.

        The “good” thing is that Google search is going the way of Amazon, so with Google shooting themselves in the foot and DDG catching up a bit, maybe soon they’ll level

        • lud@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          11 months ago

          Works perfectly fine for trouble shooting complicated IT problems.

      • DontMakeMoreBabies@kbin.social
        1·
        11 months ago

        I’ve switched most defualts over to DDG but Google is still better for some things. Feels sort of like the late 99s/early 00s with Altavista, Ask Jeeves, etc.

      • MonkderZweite@feddit.chEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        ddg always drops one of at least two troublesome terms. Which is infuriating.

        Might have to do with my settings, in which case it is a bug.

        Bangs are gold (which is why ddg is my default) but i still sometimes miss exclusions.

      • slumberlust@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        Isn’t ducksuckgo just paying for google search with a privacy wrapper/obfuscation layer on top?