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Israel has given Hamas a proposal through Qatari and Egyptian mediators that includes up to two months of a pause in the fighting as part of a multi-phase deal that would include the release of all remaining hostages held in Gaza, two Israeli officials said.
Why it matters: While the proposal doesn’t include an agreement to end the war, it is the longest period of ceasefire that Israel has offered Hamas since the start of the war.
Driving the news: More than 130 hostages are still being held in Gaza. Israeli officials say several dozen hostages either died on October 7 or in the weeks since then.
My guess is because they don’t actually want a ceasefire, they want to keep fighting until they’ve taken more Palestinian land. But by making this non-viable offer they can pretend that they’re trying to end the fighting
Do you consider the Hamas offer this is a counter to viable in any way?
Yes?
Why on Earth would Israel agree to a complete retreat and guaranteeing Hamas continued rule and the safety of its leadership? That is a complete non-starter.
Why would Hamas agree to Israels bullshit terms? Palestinians are facing genocide at the hands of Israel, surrender is out of the question.
Israel needs at minimum complete international blacklisting, and more realistically needs to be dismantled as they’ve proven time and time again to be a terrorist state.
You live in fantasy land.
They should agree to the terms because Israel is getting backed by most of the governments of the western world and because Gaza is about to become the world’s biggest parking lot. They aren’t fighting a winning fight.
Are you kidding? This is the closest they’ve gotten to winning ever.
The whole world has turned against Israel due to their inhumane actions. They’re being taken to the ICC for genocide, the EU is basically done with their shit and moving forward with taking actions even when they’re not at the trials.
And if they stop, Israel will just continue in a few months or a year and wipe them out regardless.
This is just nonsensical. A dismantled Israel is an Israel that cannot protect its population anymore. We have seen on October 7 what happens if the IDF is absent for just a few hours. Not to mention, the entire idea is preposterous. Even if it made any sense, it’s impossible, because you can’t dismantle a nation armed with ICBMs and the strongest military in the Middle East. Are you even aware of the fact that just one third of its forces are active in Gaza? The rest are at Israel’s borders, in case someone else feels the need to martyr themselves.
You seem to believe that Hamas is some sort of protector of Palestinians, whereas in reality, they are the polar opposite. At best they are a magnet for Israeli retaliation. Their mere presence comes with guaranteed destruction, both from the large percentage of their own weapons that fail instead of reaching their randoms targets and Israeli strikes - and at this point, Hamas are so incompetent on their home turf that the biggest actual danger to IDF soldiers is friendly fire instead of these wannabe martyrs.
No it’s just idealistic because no matter what at the end of the day the US will back Israel and no one can stop them.
We have seen over 70 years what happens when Israel is present, October 7th was a horrific reaction to the horrors placed on Palestine by Israel.
I don’t believe that, I just believe they are empowered to fight as long as they’re being suppressed by Israel. If you want to end Hamas, you need to tackle the root issue; Israel or else are you’re doing is breeding more people who hate Israel for killing their family.
Did you know that the mastermind behind the October 7 massacres was imprisoned in Israel for the torture and murder of several Palestinians and Israelis? He was able to earn a degree at Tel Aviv University while in prison and when he complained about vision problems, Israeli doctors discovered a brain tumor. They removed it, saving his life. He was later released in a prisoner to hostage exchange.
One of the surgeon’s nephews is among the civilians Hamas abducted.
Yahya Sinwar was treated with kindness, despite being a monster who literally tortured people to death. He thanked Israel by leading the worst pogrom against Jews since the Holocaust. October 7 was not a reaction, it was not justified by anything Israel has or is said to have done, it was not an act of resistance. It was nothing more than an unjustified and unjustifiable act of cruelty, an expression of blind and incurable hatred.
You know what struck me the most about October 7, outside of the murders, rapes and abductions? It was the initial phase of the attack, when they systematically and expertly struck Israeli border defenses, when they disabled communications systems and overran command centers, when they used every little trick in the book to defeat a far superior opponent. Had it just been that, had they limited their attacks to purely military targets, it would have been an acceptable and legitimate act of armed resistance, one that would not justify the retaliation Gaza is experiencing right now.
They didn’t though.
All of this was just done so that they could murder and rape their way through peaceful little towns and villages, through a music festival. All of this expert planning and deception, all of the skilled execution was done solely so that they could hurt innocent people who share no blame for anything that the Israeli state has done to Palestinians. Hell, these terrorists were more than happy to torture and kill even fellow Muslims who spoke with the wrong accent or were just unlucky enough to be in their presence. That’s just terrorism.
This conflict didn’t start on October 7th.
Do I care about the mastermind behind the October 7th attack? No.
Do I care about the 25,000 murdered by Israel in the last few months, the however many who’ve lost their lives or homes in the West bank or who’ve been bombed time and time again by Israel in Gaza? Yes.
Go defend genocide some more, I bet they deserved it, right because if you ignore every aspect of history up until Oct 7th they’re totally the worst side. All those children who make up the majority of Gaza, many left without families and homes, just like their parents, and their parents before them. In a never ending cycle of atrocities inflicted by Israel who when they try to improve and overcome this trauma, have Israel fund money into a terrorist organisation to fuck them over more.
Well, the world is not ready to talk about it, but Israel has been under bombardment by Hezbollah for months now.
I think both Hamas and Netenyahu’s government are both horrible awful blood-soaked evil. You don’t have to call one side good in order to call the other side bad.