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    The same is happening to France. As you said, they’ll have a field day when (at this point it’s not if, it’s when) they get to power.
    Gotta love neoliberalism…

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      8 months ago

      The Netherlands will very likely have a right wing government and will be heading down the same path. Same with Italy, Sweden, Denmark.

      With the next European election this year the right wing parties in the European Parliament will gain a lot of traction.

      We could be heading down the American path and lose a lot or the progress we made over the last 2 decades.

      I will be a father in a couple or hours. Between the right taking to power and accelerating climate change i am just so fucking worried in what kind of world my kids will grow up.

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          Fahsism is not a very well defined term. Can you expand why you see America (whom I assume you are reversing to?) as a fashist regime?

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            Would be more accurate to say capitalists I suppose, who inevitably give way to fascism.

            The US is a bourgeois/capitalist dictatorship built on the genocide of millions of native Americans. I think most socialists would say it’s not quite a fascist regime just yet, but it has a history of supporting such regimes and is currently supporting a fascist colony committing a genocide in Palestine.

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            Fascism is well defined, it is capitalism in decay, it is a desperate lashing out of the parasite class when they become incapable of forestalling the TRPF. Fascism is simply capitalism with the mask off. It is only “not a very well defined term” within the capitalist superstructure because they don’t want people oppose capitalism, so the definition deliberately muddied. There are many things that are not poorly understood, but must be made to be poorly understood.

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        The rise of right wing parties might be a consequence of the left wings failure to govern.

        In Norway the Labour Party was the biggest party for decades. Now the party is infested with politicians using it for career paths to NGO’s or international organisations like UN and EU. The same party made for the labourers implements tax policies making it really hard to start industries.

        Money are being spent on the most incredible projects bearing no fruit for future generations.

        At a point people get fed up, and in desperation they have to vote further to the right. If you want less government spending on stupid projects you also have to get some fascism.

        The problem is not the right wing parties or stupid people. The problem is worthless left wing politicians not contributing positive to the nation.

        It saddens me.

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          The problem is worthless left wing politicians not contributing positive to the nation.

          The problem isn’t a person. It’s class society itself and the capitalist mode of production.

          Both Fascism and Socialism solve the problem of capitalism being in crisis; it always eventually will be, and it currently is in Europe. Fascism “solves” it by fully cementing capitalist rule and removing the veil of bourgeois “democracy”, while Socialism solves it by overthrowing capitalism entirely and establishing proletarian rule.

          The far-right rising again in Europe was always the inevitable consequence of capitalists winning the Cold War and ruthlessly suppressing the Left since. The only other “solution” to the crisis is Fascism.

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            I am not very well read in political theory, but I would agree with the idea that capitalism HAS to end in crisis because exponancial groth just can’t be sustained.

            I would further point out that, to my limited knowledge, capitalism is a (or even the) root cause of the current climate crisis (altough things like humans inability to solve long term problems, as well as other factors come into play too. After all, things like the ozon hole have been solved even under a capitalist system).

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            A great example of how this class operates. Our foreign minister from the Labour party had to step down due to suspicions of providing her husband with inside information on government contracts to public traded companies. The husband bought stocks and they made some cash.

            The reward for this corruption is a new position as our ambassador to the US. She officially got the job two days ago.

            We have seen this upper class of politicians never having to stand responsible for their actions for some years now. On both sides.

            There’s no wonder people get desperate. The only solution they get provided is using their vote. And when they do use it they get called out for using it the “wrong” way.

            Either the current politicians fix their shit, or the people will topple them. It’s fairly predictable.

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          I don’t know about other nations. In Germany we have had the Conservative Party ruling for 16 years as a right leaning Party, 4 years of a left party that implemented right wing neo fashist ideas, followed by another 16 years of conservative rule with more centeristic than right wing rule (the political void in the right was filled by the AFD, which has become a true fashist party in the last 10 years). The only “left” government we ever had in the last 36 years has been in the last 2, and they are heavily restricted by beeing in a coalition with a neo liberal right wing party.

          So, at least for Germany, this just doesn’t hold true.

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            The only “left” government we ever had in the last 36 years has been in the last 2, and they are heavily restricted by beeing in a coalition with a neo liberal right wing party.

            They’re all neoliberals. They wouldn’t be doing anything substantially different if the FDP didn’t exist.

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            Yes. Pretty much everywhere has had capitalists ranging from moderate to hard-line in lead. Now they’re just seeing that they can form coalitions with open fascists. Leftists don’t even have the opportunity to try to achieve change… Maybe Uruguay or such are the exception