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    5 months ago

    As an outsider, I feel that the Democrats would have an easier time turning third parties over if they didn’t push a dementia patient who could lose the last of his competency next term.

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        I said third parties my gamer, as in people not voting either rerun of the crusty old guys.

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            Yep, not denying that, and the solution is just for the Democrats to just not be a worse option that third parties. Democrats are not entitled to votes becuase they’re just better than the other bad option.

            I mean in an ideal democracy voting for the party you actually like wouldn’t just lead to the party you hate the most getting more power.

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              I mean in an ideal democracy voting for the party you actually like wouldn’t just lead to the party you hate the most getting more power.

              But we’re in this democracy, in which the left of Hitler party has to carry the national vote by basically over 50% to get over the system rigged against it electing candidates (i.e. the electoral college).

              Everyone’s quick to hate on Democrats gaming the system, but the party actually gaming the system needs a lot less votes in order to “win” an election.

              I understand moaning about the situation, but doing anything but voting Biden for president in our system is unambiguously helping Trump win.

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                I just think we should hold our political representatives to a higher standard. Trump got in, for a number of cultural reasons I’m told, but a significant contributing factor was because Democrats pushed Hillary Clinton super hard under the assumption that they’d win anyway, and ended up alienating much of the left who didn’t like Hillary who, shockingly, didn’t vote for her.

                Biden’s stance on Israel has likely alienated much of the voter base who has ties to Palestine or at the least are sympathetic to their struggle. I don’t like seeing patterns of loss in the party that’s supposed to be the good guys in the two honestly pretty bad parties.

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                  Trump got into office in 2016 because no matter what Republican was put up there it was pretty likely that they’d be elected.

                  If we’re going to hold our political representatives to a higher standard, why don’t we start with the party nominating people who attempted to overthrow the government for president?

                  Why is it always that every couple of election cycles we have this hand wringing bullshit that helps Republicans get back into the white house?

                  I genuinely don’t understand the “leftists” in this country who vanish every four or eight years, and then get engaged in the political process again after four or eight years of a Republican predictably not giving a single shit about any of their thoughts at all. I get not wanting to endorse US involvement in Gaza, but the only viable alternative will pay no mind to not only mowing down civilians in Gaza, but his political opposition here in the US as well.

                  Outside of all of the political issues of the day, the vanishing left who is unreliable at voting has done a number on climate change policy over the decades which they seem to pretend matters only every second or third election cycle.

                  Republican voters reliably hold their nose and vote to the point where they keep white house control even with the worst possible walking obscenities as candidates. But God forbid a leftist take twenty minutes out of their day and vote for someone who isn’t 100% aligned with their politics.

                  The right wing plays the long game while the left wing pisses and moans about politicians being politicians and doesn’t reliably show up to vote, and in the end we all lose.

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    Let us hope that one day the US, or any democracy for that matter, will come together to implement ranked choice voting.

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      Until that day, let’s hope people recognize that there really are only two votes that will end up counting. I still regret voting for Nader when Bush stole the election in 2000.

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          Democrats aren’t taking advantage, republicans are. Why do you think independent candidates are funded primarily by GOP PACs but use moderate platforms? They know anyone educated enough to find value in a moderate candidate would never have voted for Trump.

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            We can acknowledge that Trump is a fascist and people need to vote for Biden or there is a real possibility of not being able to vote again.

            We can also acknowledge that as a result Democrats don’t have to try very hard and can present a boring “mostly status quo” candidate under the banner of “what are you going to do, let a fascist win?”

            Yes, it sucks. We can acknowledge it sucks. Personally I think the best way to correct course is if the Republicans lose hard to send the message that they need to be putting forward reasonable candidates to stand a chance, at which point it would be reasonable to not vote for disappointing Democratic candidates.

            We can still acknowledge that what is being offered isn’t stellar.

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            They are taking advantage of the situation by ignoring voters telling him to stop genocide. They believe they can do whatever they want and voters will still reward him with another opportunity to keep doing it.

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    5 months ago

    Biden poses a danger to Biden. He’s done nothing just like all prior democrats, to earn our vote. That sane hubris cost Hills an election that was hers to lose.