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    These people sound like exact copies of the people saying voting in 2000 didn’t matter, and that turned out to be the most politically consequential of my lifetime. Gore was imperfect as they all are, but holy fuck did Dubya fuck up literally everything he touched.

    Among many, many, many things, Dubya started forever wars killing untold hundreds of thousands of people. He accelerated oil and gas production, absolutely setting the Climate Change world on a pace for disaster. He seated Alito, unquestionably the biggest monster currently on the Supreme Court. And he passed a monster tax cut for the rich that set us on this path of unrestrained deficit spending.

    And that’s just the headlines. Remember when he tried to put his personal lawyer on the Supreme Court? lol

    Gen X already tried this 25 years ago and it fucked the world up so badly that we need to be saved by the future generations. Imagine not learning that lesson and doing it again.

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        Probably a similar initial response, but no Iraq War two years later. Which would make a… massive (and positive, in case that wasn’t clear) change in the direction and concerns of American foreign policy.

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    There are legitimate criticisms to be had of Biden, but in every case, Trump is unambiguously worse. If Trump were pro-Palestine, I could maybe understand single-issue voters preferring him to Biden…but he’s not.

    To be honest, I have little hope for 2024. Genuine fake news is rampant, and in pretty much every case it hurts Biden (misinformation about the economy, etc.). I’ll be voting a straight Dem ticket in my very red state, and hoping against all hope that uninformed voters somehow do the right thing.

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      no one is saying they’re going to vote for trump. they’re saying they won’t vote for biden

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        Lmao, that’s the epitome of something that sounds smart but is incredibly stupid when you think about it. Especially in response to this meme.

        In FPTP not voting for the chosen democratic representative means one vote less is required for the conservative. It doesn’t matter if that’s because you added a vote for Democrats, or didn’t vote at all. Same for voting 3rd party, it just ensures you get the candidate you want the least.

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          that the epitome of something that sounds smart but is incredibly stupid

          I voted for Howie in 2020 and Biden won. you don’t seem to know how voting works.

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            You don’t seem to know what anecdotal evidence or statistical analysis works.

            Biden barely won, and you didn’t get the candidate you wanted. In 2016, it’s people like you who gave trump the victory

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              people who voted for Trump gave him the victory. 50 years of people like Joe biden running the Democrat party gave Trump the victory. don’t blame me.

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    And what did Marx think about voting for the lesser evil:

    Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body.

    Karl Marx and Frederick Engels Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League, London, March 1850

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      Most people are trying to bring in social programs, not communism. The Democrats can do social programs, and they can do them better when we move the Overton window left by continually voting in Democrats

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            I do vote. The window keeps moving to the right. To the point where a handout to the insurance industry is considered a social program.

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                Oh, I’ll just have to wait. The overton window isn’t going to move to the left. It’s already so far to the right that the “left” party supports genocide.

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                  Do you honestly think it hasn’t moved right because Trump won? Now think what will happen if he wins again.

                  Ps you’re what the meme is about. Except the meme is wrong, didn’t save anything because Trump would escalate it.