Even if we didn’t achieve fairness for trans people just yet, it’d be so fun if we took this logical determination of “Even if criminals break laws anyway, they can put friction on the act itself and help them be caught earlier” and push it back to the conservative topic of gun control; where they have claimed exactly the opposite.
It’s still bullshit on bathroom control because the two acts would be less than a minute apart with no likely witnesses. There’s far more demonstrable harm in gender exclusion in bathrooms.
The answer in both cases is ‘cultural norms and expectations’. Something that I don’t think rapists would give much of a shit about. If a man is willing to break laws to assault someone, a cultural norm would seem to be pretty low on their list of concerns.
Over here in the UK, during the noughties gender neutral bathrooms were popping up in offices everywhere. They were seen as a cool thing that good employers did. It wasn’t anything to do with non-cis people demanding it, it just happened organically. It was a fairly brief trend and died out after the financial crash as costs were cut but people of all genders thought they were fine. It seemed a rare moment of sanity to me. We all piss and shit the same way so a loo has always seemed (to me) a very weird place to be designated as a woman only space, or a man only space come to that.
According to the latest census data the trans population of the UK is about 0.5% of the 16+ population with 0.1% identifying as trans men and 0.1% identifying as trans women. Thats about 45,000 people in each group, across the whole of the UK.
The UK has lost its collective shit when it’s making decisions that effectively punish trans people based on such an incredibly low number of people, especially when there’s literally zero indication that trans women are potential rapists or are in anyway going to negatively affect women’s rights. More than half the country are cis-women/girls. How on Earth does anyone imagine 45,000 people are a threat to to 30million+? The trans women I know just want to live their lives without being made to feel like shit.
I mean, sure, in an office that would be fine. Just the professional context would prevent people from getting caught by coworkers. Plus, people know each other… Like, if Carl rapes Sharon from accounting, Sharon will likely say something about it… It’s the same as in the family. People have no problems sharing the same bathroom for obvious reasons. But bathrooms in public places are different.
In fairness, it’s not a picture of the woman, it’s the essential restriction for men to be there multiplied by the chance that, at any time, there could be multiple women there to witness you entering the place and protecting others/describing you to the police.
I myself all for gender neutral, but the credit has to be given.
Genuine question: public toilets aren’t typically locked. Does the fact one of the doors has a picture of a woman on it stop a determined rapist?
Even if we didn’t achieve fairness for trans people just yet, it’d be so fun if we took this logical determination of “Even if criminals break laws anyway, they can put friction on the act itself and help them be caught earlier” and push it back to the conservative topic of gun control; where they have claimed exactly the opposite.
It’s still bullshit on bathroom control because the two acts would be less than a minute apart with no likely witnesses. There’s far more demonstrable harm in gender exclusion in bathrooms.
Genuine question. In India train wagons are divided by gender. What prevents a man from going in there?
Is that division pointless? Why don’t you ask females how they feel about that division.
The answer in both cases is ‘cultural norms and expectations’. Something that I don’t think rapists would give much of a shit about. If a man is willing to break laws to assault someone, a cultural norm would seem to be pretty low on their list of concerns.
Over here in the UK, during the noughties gender neutral bathrooms were popping up in offices everywhere. They were seen as a cool thing that good employers did. It wasn’t anything to do with non-cis people demanding it, it just happened organically. It was a fairly brief trend and died out after the financial crash as costs were cut but people of all genders thought they were fine. It seemed a rare moment of sanity to me. We all piss and shit the same way so a loo has always seemed (to me) a very weird place to be designated as a woman only space, or a man only space come to that.
According to the latest census data the trans population of the UK is about 0.5% of the 16+ population with 0.1% identifying as trans men and 0.1% identifying as trans women. Thats about 45,000 people in each group, across the whole of the UK.
The UK has lost its collective shit when it’s making decisions that effectively punish trans people based on such an incredibly low number of people, especially when there’s literally zero indication that trans women are potential rapists or are in anyway going to negatively affect women’s rights. More than half the country are cis-women/girls. How on Earth does anyone imagine 45,000 people are a threat to to 30million+? The trans women I know just want to live their lives without being made to feel like shit.
I mean, sure, in an office that would be fine. Just the professional context would prevent people from getting caught by coworkers. Plus, people know each other… Like, if Carl rapes Sharon from accounting, Sharon will likely say something about it… It’s the same as in the family. People have no problems sharing the same bathroom for obvious reasons. But bathrooms in public places are different.
In fairness, it’s not a picture of the woman, it’s the essential restriction for men to be there multiplied by the chance that, at any time, there could be multiple women there to witness you entering the place and protecting others/describing you to the police.
I myself all for gender neutral, but the credit has to be given.