At the core of sovereign citizen beliefs is the denial of the legitimacy of the government. They do not believe they must obey any laws, nor that they can be held to account for lawbreaking.
I don’t know that they really threaten the rule of law, since none of their bullshit ever actually works (especially as people become more aware of their specific brand of nonsense). I think the bigger issue is that quite a few of them will resort to violence, so they’re more of a threat to other people.
I don’t know that they really threaten the rule of law, since none of their bullshit ever actually works
This is the part that puzzled me - how can a movement like this continue to grow without any success stories whatsoever? It doesn’t make sense. Until I realized there’s a whole industry setup to drift these idiots out of their money. You can buy a sovcit passport, sovcit drivers licenses, all manner of stuff. None of it is worth as much as the paper it’s printed on, but they pay anyways.
It’s a whole industry designed to convince [stupid] people that if they just say the right combination of words, they get to selectively exist withing society and skirt rules.
A lot of them are also desperate. Plenty of people find their way to sovcit stuff because they’re in legal trouble of some kind that they don’t know how to handle, and everyone tells them they just need to face the consequences. Sovcits tell them actually, the government is wrong, they shouldn’t be in trouble at all, and if they just file these papers and say these words, it’ll all go away. I can see how people who aren’t great critical thinkers can get sucked into that.
how can a movement like this continue to grow without any success stories whatsoever?
Because they all believed in jade-helm, FEMA concentration camps, and Obama was gonna take their guns despite none of those things happening. Then when none of those things actually happen they continue to get information from the same sources who lied to them about all those things.
It’s like they are trying to disengage from reality using the shared momentum of their collective belief.
Paper terrorism is probably the best way to explain it. They will bombard courts, banks and civil services (ie- utilities, child support payments) with pages and pages of useless documents and waste hours of people’s time on the phone, in person, or by mail.
Combine that with the belief that no response is acceptance and rejections are based on lies, you get the most aggressive and ignorant people that make Karen’s seem pleasant.
Oh I know. I worked in child support enforcement for a minute and now work in an office that takes passport applications. Thankfully, the Department of State’s stance is that we don’t need to argue about it, they’ll deal with it on their end, so it’s a lot less confrontational, but I had a guy on a child support case that was clearly getting advice from sovcit forums and he was a headache and a half.
I don’t know that they really threaten the rule of law, since none of their bullshit ever actually works (especially as people become more aware of their specific brand of nonsense). I think the bigger issue is that quite a few of them will resort to violence, so they’re more of a threat to other people.
This is the part that puzzled me - how can a movement like this continue to grow without any success stories whatsoever? It doesn’t make sense. Until I realized there’s a whole industry setup to drift these idiots out of their money. You can buy a sovcit passport, sovcit drivers licenses, all manner of stuff. None of it is worth as much as the paper it’s printed on, but they pay anyways.
It’s a whole industry designed to convince [stupid] people that if they just say the right combination of words, they get to selectively exist withing society and skirt rules.
A lot of them are also desperate. Plenty of people find their way to sovcit stuff because they’re in legal trouble of some kind that they don’t know how to handle, and everyone tells them they just need to face the consequences. Sovcits tell them actually, the government is wrong, they shouldn’t be in trouble at all, and if they just file these papers and say these words, it’ll all go away. I can see how people who aren’t great critical thinkers can get sucked into that.
Because they all believed in jade-helm, FEMA concentration camps, and Obama was gonna take their guns despite none of those things happening. Then when none of those things actually happen they continue to get information from the same sources who lied to them about all those things.
It’s like they are trying to disengage from reality using the shared momentum of their collective belief.
Paper terrorism is probably the best way to explain it. They will bombard courts, banks and civil services (ie- utilities, child support payments) with pages and pages of useless documents and waste hours of people’s time on the phone, in person, or by mail.
Combine that with the belief that no response is acceptance and rejections are based on lies, you get the most aggressive and ignorant people that make Karen’s seem pleasant.
Oh I know. I worked in child support enforcement for a minute and now work in an office that takes passport applications. Thankfully, the Department of State’s stance is that we don’t need to argue about it, they’ll deal with it on their end, so it’s a lot less confrontational, but I had a guy on a child support case that was clearly getting advice from sovcit forums and he was a headache and a half.