It is perfectly possible to protest Israel’s genocide of Palestinians without spray painting pro-Hamas slogans or holding Hamas flags, which is what the protesters that Harris condemned did. She very specifically called out the pro-Hamas and antisemites among the protesters, not the ones simply calling for an end to the genocide.
As I said at the beginning of this tangent, fuck Israel, but fuck Hamas too. Calling out Hamas supporters is a perfectly reasonable thing to do and is not a mark against Harris.
Again, you are drawing far too much importance on the optics of condemnation and support, and no importance whatsoever on Material Realities and conditions. Is Harris moving in favor of ending all US support for Israel, putting a stop to the genocide? No, and she won’t, and as such we recontextualize her statements. She is very deliberately maintaining the Party Line.
“Ah ok fair enough. I’d still say “support” is a strong word. Democrats want the genocide to end, but aren’t willing to directly oppose Israel. Republicans, by contrast, want even more genocide.”
Now that we know the Democrats are actively pursuing genocide, do you walk back the part of this statement that the Dems want it to end?
Nice how you ignored the part where I very specifically said that they are NOT pusuing genocide. Like that’s literally the opposite of what I said, damn you didn’t even moderate it or anything. Just full on lying to me about what I said. Neat.
Oh I’m sorry I didn’t realize that a) you were a mind reader, and b) Democrats are conveniently lying every single time they talk about Israel, which you conveniently know due to your mind reading powers.
Come on, man. That’s bullshit conspiracy talk. Democrats are calling for an end to the slaughter. Very publicly.
It is perfectly possible to protest Israel’s genocide of Palestinians without spray painting pro-Hamas slogans or holding Hamas flags, which is what the protesters that Harris condemned did. She very specifically called out the pro-Hamas and antisemites among the protesters, not the ones simply calling for an end to the genocide.
As I said at the beginning of this tangent, fuck Israel, but fuck Hamas too. Calling out Hamas supporters is a perfectly reasonable thing to do and is not a mark against Harris.
Again, you are drawing far too much importance on the optics of condemnation and support, and no importance whatsoever on Material Realities and conditions. Is Harris moving in favor of ending all US support for Israel, putting a stop to the genocide? No, and she won’t, and as such we recontextualize her statements. She is very deliberately maintaining the Party Line.
So why did you bring up her statements if they don’t matter?
Yes. And the party line is to disapprove of Israel but not directly oppose them.
The optics don’t matter.
Finger wagging in public, handing guns and bombs in private, got it.
I didn’t say I agreed with it, but that’s the line she’s walking.
“Ah ok fair enough. I’d still say “support” is a strong word. Democrats want the genocide to end, but aren’t willing to directly oppose Israel. Republicans, by contrast, want even more genocide.”
Now that we know the Democrats are actively pursuing genocide, do you walk back the part of this statement that the Dems want it to end?
Nice how you ignored the part where I very specifically said that they are NOT pusuing genocide. Like that’s literally the opposite of what I said, damn you didn’t even moderate it or anything. Just full on lying to me about what I said. Neat.
You said they don’t want to, which is generally false.
Oh I’m sorry I didn’t realize that a) you were a mind reader, and b) Democrats are conveniently lying every single time they talk about Israel, which you conveniently know due to your mind reading powers.
Come on, man. That’s bullshit conspiracy talk. Democrats are calling for an end to the slaughter. Very publicly.