At work: "I hate mondays"
At work: "I hate mondays"
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Learning a foreign language and runing the fuck out of US is also an option. You don't need risk everything just to better a country where 60% of population hates you and rest is barely neutral.
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Need ideas for countries. What's a good place I could move to that has decent public transit infrastructure, free healthcare and good welfare/retirement benefits, cheap gigabit internet, and legal cannabis concentrates?
(Last one is most important because I literally cannot sleep without weed; prescription sleeping pills are awful and do not work effectively for me. Also flower is a non-option cause the wife hates the smell and I want to be considerate.)
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It's more like 30% of the population
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Only 12% of African Americans voted Trump IIRC. The majority of European Americans did vote for him. Don’t let them hide what they are behind the decency of others.
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If you have an university degree or job that's in high demand even learning a foreign language can be done after you got out. (source: I have a shitload of America friends that came to Europe without speaking anything but English)
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This is how you concentrate evil, and doing so in a huge area with the most power and resources is a bad idea.
The better idea is to organize, spread the good out, beat gerrymandering, beat FPTP, regulate campaign funding and special interest lobbying, change the laws, bring back evidence based policy making expert council, and crush the enemy.... Or be crushed and or ousted yourself. -
We don’t need the Americans who are too cowardly to fix their own country, thanks.
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Agreed.
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This is making a good point, but I still have to be here for my kids. I'll donate, vote, and argue, but I'm not fighting anyone off because my kids need me.
Leaving the country is also an option we're looking into, but my wife thinks we should stay here and continue to do what little we can.
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Meh, its ok, its really just a truth of the universe at this point. No changing it. If there was the sentiment from everyone would be, "right, let's do something right now."
Im also not infallible so maybe the sentiment changes.
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Leaving does more than staying
The government doesn't need you to agree with them, but they do need your tax dollars. Well educated, high earners leaving does a lot. Being the recipient of those people is a large part of the US's dominance over the past 70 years
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Except US citizens have to pay US taxes even when living abroad. Something that does not exist in most countries, because it's as dumb as it sounds. Yes, they are taxed twice (by both countries).
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If those high earners were protesting and fighting, feeding those with less, supporting rebellion with their money and knowledge instead of working or fleeing, it would certainly solve that problem.
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If only there was something we could do anonymously like some machine that lets us all communicate and shape culture and awareness that was free and could be done in our own homes with massive effects
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We're turning into a lot of little Eichmanns
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I hate that term. Eichmann very notably revelled in his role and tried to play up how many people they killed.
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I hadn't come across it or heard of Eichmann until just now. It's shitty that it doesn't use a better namesake to represent what it's trying to describe; but that description is one that's absolutely happening. Hence OP's meme.
The vast majority of us, self included, are stuck in that trap; and having a label for that trap is an important step to challenging it.
So... I can 100% understand the opposition to it, but what do you recommend in its stead?
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Individuals acting individually results in nothing except the death of a comrade. Action happens through coordination, intelligence gathering and collective action.
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I mean thats true but i think many people are too afraid/low energy/uninformed to unite with others in order to coordinate. But i hope i am wrong and the people of the U.S. take back their country before Drumpf and his Goons have done too much damage (which i guess you could argue has already happened).
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If the country goes whaere it looks like it is going
Eventually we each are going to have to decide
When a resistance group is formed ..
Will you join?
And what are you willing to do?
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Curiously I'm having to deal with this very conflict. I want to join the resistance, but I'm (literally) allergic to sunlight (which precludes street demonstrations) and I'm a goblin when it comes to in-person social development, such as organizing.
The mutual aid groups in Sacramento are scarce, so it's difficult to ask them.
Do I make useful memes and infographics? Not sure.
Curiously, the nearest ICE hq is in San Francisco, and there are resistence movements there interfering with ICE action.
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Probably cook.
Travel along with the resistance, tending to troops, fixing meals, fetching ammo, just a worker bee in the military machine.
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In the 30's and 40's resistances were everywhere and weren't always visible. Spreading the news or setting up infrastructure for resistance movements were just as viable as boots on the ground and protests.
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see this is where you unite the gangsters in the streets. you get them to join together and tell them this is how it starts, how this will help them and others stuck in their current situations. I'm telling you this is the only way really, why do you think dump chump is scared of ms13 gangster lol seriously I think it's the only way it happens
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"Everyone but me should be rising up and fighting the Trump administration" - Progressives of Lemmy
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And what are you doing?
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Tbf I think a lot of us are just taking notes from LA
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I will type this again:
This kind of reply effectively kills any momentum that COULD be achieved from sharing the collective frustrations and feelings. It's a thought-stopper.
Every movement and uprising against tyranny has started from enough people reaching a breaking-point and realizing that they all have to do something “right now” and this kind of “What are you doing” and “You go first” bullshit is just your own way of saying “I’m scared so you should be too.”
You are literally serving the interests of powerful and wealthy who want to keep our population subservient and scared.
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You go first
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No one seriously thinks these are anything like concentration camps, and that's why most people won't protest them.
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One of the more dangerous assumptions is that Nazis were overtly and objectively evil from the start. It conveniently looked perpetually different than what we're currently seeing.
I mean, the photos we're being presented - they're not even in black and white!
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I agree. This isn't that, though.
Don't get me wrong, Nazism is spreading across the world again, but this isn't that.
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While not wrong, I don't think this is necessarily the whole story.
It's more that our collective narrative has been atomized, and people have been given their permission slips to stay comfortable, to only consume the news and stories and narratives that preserves their comfort. (Note that comfort is not the same as happiness, this conflation is absolutely wrecking our entire society, learn they are different things and you will make great progress in your life.)
Our addiction to comfort comes from survival impulses, and capital has learned how to exploit this, to give us food and drugs and products to buy and shows to watch and video games to escape into and podcasters and streamers who take care of the mental work for us. None of which makes us feel satisfied or complete, but placates our survival urges and makes us not seek change or new ideas.
The internet and related algorithms has shoved a wedge deeply between our shared realities. We are no longer forced to listen to the uncomfortable perspectives of others. We are no longer required to adjust, to compromise, to adjust our views. As individuals you may think you're very self-reliant and self-actualized, but we're talking populations. Populations are like liquids, they seek certain lowest levels. Our levels are now manufactured. This means you can live in willful obliviousness to uncomfortable truths without ANY consequence.
So even if someone "knows" that there is something like a concentration camp being built, there is no chance in their world for it to intrude on their comfort so the incentive to DO SOMETHING about it is not there, so it just becomes an uncomfortable presence which we tend to unconsciously avoid. We then create stories in our heads to rationalize and validate these feelings. Cognitive dissonance is not some mental fallacy that only "stupid" people fall into, it's hard-wired into each of us as a survival tool to avoid creating problems in our predictable lives.
edit: reminder people, there was massive pushback about the US getting involved with Europe and Germany before and during WW2 even as evidence of genocide was coming to light. This isn't new. What is new is that we don't have social pressure anymore to do the right thing. There is absolutely no incentivization to change stances.
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I like your username =]. Also I think we mostly agree on these points. Not wanting to argue I would add the critique that seeking comfort is fine. Its fine to be comfortable your entire life. Just there has to be something that motivates us to preserve that comfort we enjoy and spread it to others. Having things and being subdued has a cost and we as Americans pass that cost onto future generations. Somehow we have to make an attempt to bridge that gap.
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That is a problem. That's how these things start. You ignore something right in front of your face. The people need to draw a line. While it might not be an extermination camp you dont want to wait until it becomes one. These people in these camps are only guilty of misdemeanors. They are not all violent criminals as trump would have you believe.
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Whether or not the average person will go to a protest is heavily studied in Game Theory.
Unsurprisingly, the consistent finding is that either the person needs to have no risk from attending (lol, facial recognition and Palintir), have no costs to attending, or things have to be otherwise be bad enough that they genuinely think that things can't get worse for them if they attend and change might actually happen if they attend.
See you at work on Monday I guess.
The government deals in violence and knows how to handle groups of protestors, whether they originate as peaceful or violent. Don’t play to their strengths by engaging them on that level and giving them a confrontation that they can escalate.
Non-participation, boycotts, malicious compliance, quiet quitting, anticonsumption, and birthstriking are more my style. It’s not glamorous or quick, but governments are notoriously inept at dealing with situations that they can’t just beat or shoot at. They don’t know what to do when a hammer is an ineffective tool for the job.
These sorts of actions may be inconvenient or cause you to forgo certain things that you want. However it doesn't put you in any actual risk, whether it be physical, legal, or financial. The non-risk aspect of it means that it has a much lower barrier to entry, and thus a lower threshold for how bad things need to get before people take action.
Usually, the main reason for protests and revolutions to grow immensely is if the means of livelihood is affected. No food to eat? Blame the government. No jobs? Blame the government. No housing? Blame the government. They're cutting pensions? Blame the government. Speaking of which, the planned pension reform by Putin, years ago, was the only time his leadership was seriously threatened by the public. Otherwise, Russian people don't care if Kremlin bombs the Georgians or Ukrainians, or dissidents keep flying off the window, so long as their means of living are not touched. In that sense, individuals are selfish and don't mind authoritarianism as long as they themselves are not severely affected.
Humans are complex and are not naturally predisposed to crave for democracy, contrary to what many Westerners believe. Ultimately, it is a question of liberty versus security. Some prefer security so long as standards of living is well kept by the ruling elites, and certain degree of freedom is allowed to the public. That's why, unfortunately, some authoritarian leaderships persists for so long. Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy for as long as anyone can remember, and Francisco Franco's fascist regime survived long, in spite of the fall of fascism after World War 2.
“A protest” is literally nothing
Protests aren't nothing. That's why the government spends so much energy dispersing them. Riots would be more effective, but that doesn't make protesters nothing.