Buddy you just cited Wikipedia. If you wanted me to believe you’d read the “long list of more authoritative sources” that the article contains, then you would have cited the articles instead of Wikipedia. This is the bare minimum you dumbass, you’re below high school level right now.
I hope you’re aware that “objective”, “unbiased”, “neutral” journalism is a myth and a complete impossibility. Any reporting on reality requires that the reporter takes a stance on how to report that reality. While some news sources are completely untrustworthy (Radio Free Asia for example) you should not believe ANY news source is ever unbiased. You should remain sceptical no matter what you read, and instead of blindly consuming the “good” news media, you should instead attempt to independently verify the claims made.
Remaining sceptical means looking into things yourself instead of going to mediabiasfactcheck.com lol.
This article is completely fine, it’s not writing falsehoods or making up shit, nor is it in any way any more opinionated than your average mainstream drivel - it’s just negatively opinioned on groups that larger news media is supportive of.
Did the war stop?
So in your analogy Russia isn’t Russia? That’s a pretty shit analogy buddy
You are aware this analogy only works if you believe Ukraine is full of nazis, right?
If a country is throwing thousands of people to their death against their own will in a futile attempt to win a lost war, then I think it’s better those people get to go home and live, rather than die, since the end result is the same.
Had the situation been reversed then I would have called for Russia to accept a peace deal as well.
People dying for no reason is bad actually.
They mean the people that live in the region. What kind of fucking shit nationalism is this? Are you a leftist or a nationalist?
Lmao new tagline dropped.
No one on hexbear supports Russia, it’s a neoliberal hellscape that’s somehow even worse than the us on LGBTQ rights. We just dont uncritically consume state department propaganda.
No they’re also conscripted, but we’re discussing Ukraine which is checks notes a different country, specifically a country which is losing people at an alarming rate.
Because they’re banned from leaving and are being forcibly conscripted. If they wanted to fight it would not be necessary to ban them from leaving (trying to flee conscription) and it would not be necessary to forcibly conscript them.
I think they should surrender because the Ukrainians being forced to fight obviously do not want to fight, and because they have no chance of winning, so this is just senseless.
Hey thanks for chiming in! I didn’t notice it was the same user. It’s pretty sad someone can be this resilient to challenging their own worldview. If they truly were so secure in their knowledge they would interact with the sources provided, yet they fail to do so. At some point you can only assume it’s because they’re afraid at some level.
It’s really disappointing
Lmao propaganda is when you source your claims so others can check for themselves. It’s pretty clear you’re just very insecure of your knowledge. At some level you know you’re wrong, so you’re afraid of being challenged on it.
Lmao thanks for the heads up - what a pathetic dickhead
Yes. Just as I would need us government papers if I were to prove the us government is deliberately committing a genocide. Now what can I do to make you interact with the sources?
You mean the dude pointing out how there’s no first hand sources, the report is making use of unofficial translations and the report is in part based on observations made by the us army? Seems like a bit more than just “handwaving” eyewitness testimony to me.
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Hey I’m glad to hear you point out the good faith stuff. I’m interacting with a few of your site buddies and I gotta say, there’s a whole lot of bad faith stuff going on, so I’m sorta defensive. I’ve provided sources a few times now and just get mocked or called a propagandist for it. Not your fault though, so it is unfair to direct the frustration at you.
I don’t expect you to read it all in one go - there’s a lot of stuff. We don’t have to continue the conversation right now, we can pick it up when you’re ready. I will say that I am not the one who gathered those sources, so beyond doing so e fact-checking and investigation on my own on these claims, I am not the most well-educated on the subject. We have a news mega, which is a great place for these exact discussions, which I would highly recommend. I can try to answer any questions you might have, though I think users like @SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net or @Alaskaball@hexbear.net would be much better for any question that isn’t super basic. I’ll do my best though, and I’m certain there’s a lot I could learn. Again for any real in-depth discussion I’d recommend the news mega.
Edit: nevermind you’re the asshole troll that couldnt read a single source given to you in that thread before. Fuck me for assuming good faith and fuck you
Citing Wikipedia? Lmao