Viking_Hippie

I mean, that's just honest 🤷

Granted, honesty comes as naturally to the Mango Mussolini as algebra to a fish, so there's no way that accuracy is the reason for it.

Viking_Hippie @lemmy.dbzer0.com 2d ago

The entire world would be a MUCH better place if politicians were actually punished for knowingly lying under oath.

Especially if they were considered under oath at all times when discussing policy.

In stead, there's like a dozen or two politicians in all of Washington that don't deliberately mislead the public for power and profit on a daily basis.

Viking_Hippie @lemmy.dbzer0.com 2d ago

Still far better than the NY Compost but yeah, the NYT is absolutely atrocious.

Especially when it comes to any coverage of cops and their favorite fascist apartheid regime.

Viking_Hippie @lemmy.dbzer0.com 2d ago

Yeah, that threat might have been effective if not for the fact that she did basically the same thing before and didn't follow through when it didn't work 🙄

Viking_Hippie @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3d ago

Sounds like you've been riding some really weird coats..

Viking_Hippie @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3d ago

It stings a little but I'll drone on regardless 🤷

Viking_Hippie @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3d ago

I don't know where to even BEGIN adequately refuting that whole wall of nonsense, so I won't waste any more time on you to do so. Have the day you deserve.

Viking_Hippie @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3d ago

I don't think you being reactionary to a far-right whose not present here, or the letter writers trying to preach to the far-right from a "corrective left" perspective of professionals in the top end of town works.

Good thing that none of that is happening, then.

It's hot air

Back to the self-description, I see.

The far-right aren't going to read the edicts past down from on high and see the error of their ways

Public figures tend to react to media pressure and other public figures taking a public stand tends to create such pressure. This is politics 101 stuff.

It's a totally pipe dream leftism that assumes "being a scold" does anything but push people right.

So what do you suggest, then? Never speaking up about harmful lies and the suffering they cause? Because that's DEFINITELY not going to convince anyone.

I mean take yourself - you couldn't even handle my original comment pointing that out.

Again with the ridiculous strawmen. You were wrong and I pointed it out. The only one unable to "handle" anything seems to be yourself.

Look at all the time we've wasted here just because you had an "I've detected prejudice" error.

Again, not the case. It doesn't say anything good about your point that you need to keep insisting on two or three strawmen to make it.

This is just all the stuff the left gets wrong, that feeds into the far-right populism. We need an alternative ti being scolds

Yeah, right. Telling them that they're harming people forces them to double down because that's how interpersonal communication works 🙄

You're invoking this comic in spite of pretending to be a leftist yourself:

Viking_Hippie @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3d ago

they have the statistics and data to back them up.

Then again, 69% of statistics are made up on the spot or deliberately skewed and that goes double any time governments want to justify abusing foreigners.

Viking_Hippie @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3d ago

Thanks for embiggening me.

Viking_Hippie @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3d ago

I was in a band called Bees of Triumph. We mostly played jazzzzz

Viking_Hippie @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3d ago

"YOU'RE an idiom!"

Viking_Hippie @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3d ago

Your studies demonstrate the fact that immigrants are much more likely to be the VICTIMS of sexual violence than native born people
No one said otherwise! Sorry, what's your argument? That it doesn't count as rape if immigrant men rape immigrant women? That's disgusting dude.

No, that's asinine. My point is that the anti-immigant rhetoric has nothing to do with protecting immigrants from being raped and everything to do with falsely portraying immigrant men as inherently likely to commit rape.

No asshole, of course that still counts as rape

I didn't say or even imply anything to the contrary. You can pack away your weird strawman now.

Of course that's part of the higher amounts of SA and SV in those communities.

Immigrant women being victims ≠ immigrant men being the perpetrators. To imply that immigration leads to rape is like implying that black people existing leads to killer cops.

I don't know why you needed to be shown studies to admit that

I didn't. In fact, I never suggested otherwise, see above.

Of course leftist elites aren't going to recognize that, and are going to try to pretend it's not true - like you were doing.

Again, that's not what's happening here.

The “leftist elites" are objecting to demagogues exploiting the very real problem of sexual violence against women (of which none of them nor I have denied that immigrant women are disproportionately the victims) as a way to further demonize and persecute immigrants.

I take it you're no longer claiming it's "just prejudice" to point this stuff out

Prejudice, conflating victims and perpetrators, or both. Take your pick.

That you see a problem with not addressing increased rape stats now

Nobody's arguing for doing that.

not addressing and contextualizing gives the far right something to gripe about?

That's the POINT: the far right are putting it in a false context for their own disinformation campaigns and you're doing something similar for different reasons.

Meanwhile, the "leftist elites" are simply saying that demonizing and scapegoating immigrants doesn't help any victims and is MUCH more likely to cause MORE immigrants to be assaulted by native born people who are taught to dehumanize them.

I'm so sick of leftwingers denying problems.

Saying that the fascists are blaming the wrong people is not denying that there are problems.

It's a politics of willful blindness and denialism

Nobody's denying anything. At least none of the people you're accusing of it are.

Viking_Hippie @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3d ago

Immigrants are vastly more likely to be VICTIMS of sexual violence than perpetrators.

Conservative men have very problematic attitudes toward immigrant women and women in general, to put it mildly.

This is rather tone deaf.

!selfawarewolves@lemmy.ml

Viking_Hippie @lemmy.dbzer0.com 3d ago

Now you're playing rehortorical games rather than responding with an argument.

That's rich coming from someone who's literally spewing xenophobic and politically tribal stereotypes about "good neighborhoods" and "left wing elites" in response to a simple objection to racist demagoguery.

Your studies demonstrate the fact that immigrants are much more likely to be the VICTIMS of sexual violence than native born people, which does NOT justify the "immigrants are coming to rape our women" hate speech that the women in the article are objecting to.