Girls as young as nine could be forced into marriage in Iraq, as conservative groups in parliament push to lower the age of consent.
  • wick@lemm.eeEnglish
    111·
    2 hours ago

    What a weird arbitrary number. I wonder where they got that idea from.

  • mightyfoolish@lemmy.worldEnglish
    81·
    3 hours ago

    I understand that Saddam Hussein was a terrible man. But it sucks that support from his opposition is what helped push this. They’re not bad because they are Shia; they are simply the worst of the people that opposed Hussein. This is what happens when you prop up puppet governments. The rights of the people aren’t important to the puppeteer.

    Tl:dr: Even with Saddam Hussein’s death, Iraq never got its freedom.

    • kava@lemmy.worldEnglish
      109·
      2 hours ago

      At the time when we launched the aggressive and illegal invasion of a sovereign county, we were doing it for Democracy™ and Human Rights™

      At the time, you would have been called a traitor, shill, or insane to suggest otherwise.

      After some years, it becomes absolutely clear none of it was true. It was all for imperialist motives. It seems that the propaganda is strong, but it has a short half life. Today you’ll have trouble finding someone defending the US invasion of Iraq.

      I think we are seeing the same thing with Ukraine war. In 10, 15 years people will see the war for what it is- a progressive destabilization of Eastern Europe and intentional proxy war.

      But right now- it’s Sovereignty™, International Law™, and Democracy™

      We destroyed Iraq. We doomed millions of people for generations. And we are participating right now in the destruction of another country.

      It’s just that we do. We destroy.

      • mightyfoolish@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        13 minutes ago

        I think we are seeing the same thing with Ukraine war. In 10, 15 years people will see the war for what it is- a progressive destabilization of Eastern Europe and intentional proxy war.

        I was wondering what you meant by this but now I think I get it. We created a puppet state in Iraq to get a “buffer” against Iran. The same way Putin wants Ukraine to be its buffer against the rest of Europe. Did I get that right?

        I agree with the rest of what you said.

      • chuymatt@startrek.websiteEnglish
        8·
        2 hours ago

        Ok. That is until the Ukraine bit. Russia chose to invade. It was made very clear in the press that the US knew what was happening on the border and gave Putin every chance to stop it Ukraine is a sovereign country and did not want more Russian influence and was courting EU membership.

  • wick@lemm.eeEnglish
    12·
    2 hours ago

    What a weird and arbitrary number. I wonder where they got it from.

  • ColdWater@lemmy.caEnglish
    422·
    2 days ago

    As if women in these countries have the right to consent or not in the first place

    • masterofn001@lemmy.caEnglish
      483·
      2 days ago

      If they can consent to extra sprinkles on their ice cream, they can be child sex slaves.

      (Edit: I just wanna say I’m so glad I didn’t need the /s for people to… Wait, I hope people aren’t actually agreeing with this)

  • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
    10110·
    2 days ago

    So does that align with Mohammad 's second wife?

    All religion is just a framework to be shitty.

    • Yawweee877h444@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1205·
      2 days ago

      I dont know why you’d be downvoted, people should be reminded of this often.

      The prophet Muhammad married his wife Aisha when she was 6 years old. According to the history he waited until she was 9 to start raping her.

      Edit: he was 53 when he started raping his 9 year old wife. Fucking gross.

      • hihi24522@lemm.eeEnglish
        376·
        2 days ago

        I would assume the downvotes are more for the “religion is a framework to be shitty” part. I’m also going to get downvoted for a similar reason.

        Religion is justification for one’s moral compass / desires.

        You see people who think it’s morally okay to rape kids or take away women’s rights or the rights of trans people or the rights of gay people etc. These people can’t justify morals (or lack thereof) logically so they use religion to give them a false sense of rationality. Hence you think religion is a framework for being shitty.

        However, there are other people who use religion to justify “good” behavior like compassion and acceptance. These people are still reliant on fallacious beliefs, but their actions are not “shitty” so they get offended. Furthermore, others—who know people in this second category—may also think the remark about religion being shitty is not correct and is rude. That’s why it’s getting downvoted.

        Fun sidenote, we can actually formally prove that religion or at least absolute morality doesn’t matter, and that people will just do what they want no matter what:

        Proof. We seek to prove that people do whatever they want regardless of the existence of a god or absolute morality. We have three natural cases:

        Case 1: Assume neither god nor an absolute purpose/morality exists. Then a person will default to their own morals. Hence, if neither exists, people will do whatever they want.

        Case 2: Assume a god or purpose/morality exists that does not align with a person’s current morals. (For example a god that required you to strangle six puppies every year or required human sacrifice, or raping kids, or blowing up hospitals, or working in finance, etc.). Then this person will not follow that god/purpose because they are a bad god/purpose. Hence, a person will do whatever they feel is right regardless even with the existence of a true deity/purpose when that god/purpose does not share their morals.

        Case 3: Assume a true god or purpose does exist and that it aligns with the morality of a person. Then that person will be living that way anyway, so the existence of the god or purpose has no effect on them doing whatever they want.

        In each case a person will do whatever they want regardless of the existence or non existence of a god or a true purpose/morality. Q.E.D.

        I should note that while I did come up with this proof myself several years ago, I learned later that Marcus Aurelius and other philosophers beat me to the punch by several centuries. But hey philosophy is the study of understanding existence, if we both exist in the same existence we can and should be able to discover the same facts about reality.

      • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
        164·
        2 days ago

        Edit, phrasing.

        I hate Abrahamic origin religious systems en masse, especially when states use them to justify bullshit. Goes for western countries too.

        Some folks probably think I’m targeting

        • the_crotch@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          8·
          4 hours ago

          Abrahamic origin

          It’s not like other systems have a much better track record. Shintoism was responsible for the rape of nanking, the ongoing Rohingya genocide is being done in the name of Buddhism, and take your pick of at least 2/3rds of everything the Roman empire ever did

          • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
            6·
            2 hours ago

            Sure but that’s not the system being discussed, I figured I’d limit my scope a bit lol.

            I agree with you, and my original comment spoke to that

        • Yawweee877h444@lemmy.worldEnglish
          94·
          2 days ago

          I hate Abrahamic origin religious systems en masse

          Right there with you in agreement 100%. This iron age mythology superstitious nonsense needs to be eradicated completely, and only studied academically from a sociological perspective for what it really is, myth, as well as all the pain, suffering, death and horror it has caused human beings, and still is causing. Fuck religion.

          • BrundleFly2077@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            113·
            2 days ago

            Bronze Age 😋 #Ackchyually. Root narratives of Judaism and so the Abrahamic tradition from roughly 2000-1200 BCE

            Ignore me.

            • mightyfoolish@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              3 hours ago

              Do you have a source for that? I would think the oldest passages of the old testament go back to the 900s at best. That’s why the oldest historical figure the bible has is Pharaoh Shoshank. I’d be surprised to see if anything from before the Bronze Age Collapse made it in (besides being vaguely Semetic).

              • wick@lemm.eeEnglish
                2·
                2 hours ago

                Yea I think you’re more right, Judaism didn’t kick off until the early iron age, and changed over time. But also the roots in late bronze age semetic culture are, if not significant, at least relevant depending on the conversation.

                Source: theologians dunking on evangelicals on YouTube, and Wikipedia.

                • mightyfoolish@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  27 minutes ago

                  That makes sense. I also hear that the laws of the Old Testament take considerable amount of inspiration from the Laws of Hammurabi; which was developed earlier in the Bronze Age.

              • BrundleFly2077@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                2·
                2 hours ago

                Right. Keref Hinnom is 600BCE, so a wee bit earlier than the actual reference to ol’ King Shawshank redemption. But there’s oral tradition _probably_ running as early as 1200BCE. - I was talking Abrahamic tradition (as per the dude I was replying to, so not explicitly Christianity… in which case you’re completely correct)

                https://dokumen.pub/the-abrahamic-religions-a-very-short-introduction-very-short-introductions-627-1stnbsped-9780190654368-0190654341-9780190654344.html - Cohen, Charles L., ‘The Jewish matrix (1200 bce–70 ce)’, The Abrahamic Religions: A Very Short Introduction”

                • mightyfoolish@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  36 minutes ago

                  probably running as early as 1200BCE

                  I could agree there was something “related” by 1200BCE at the EARLIEST. After all, Judahites, Edomites, and Qederites do not even show up till 900 BC; a few hundred years after the Amorite civilization begins its downward spiral (where some of their last traces are seen in the mixed ethnic group of Palmyra which has elements of Amorites, Arameans, and Arabs mixed together – even though they are virtually identical cultures).

  • shaserlark@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    472·
    2 days ago

    I quickly googled this and mostly found sources like Fox News or Times of India that follow some agenda.

    So here’s a Guardian article on the topic in case anyone was wondering about a commonly known source: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/aug/09/proposed-iraqi-law-change-would-legalise-child-say-activists

    Basically there are some religious hardliners that are in the pocket of Iran that want to reduce the marriage age to 9 which would effectively end up in legalizing child rape. Opponents of this are being accused of „western decadence“. So basically after the destabilization liberation of Iraq politics are dominated by the same people that run Iran.

    The people suffering enjoying their liberation are the normal people as usual.

    • Ogmios@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      171·
      2 days ago

      Opponents of this are being accused of „western decadence“

      Those damned hedonists indulging in the luxury of… checks notes… keeping their dicks out of kids.

      So basically after the destabilization liberation of Iraq politics are dominated by the same people that run Iran.

      I mean, they were destabilized liberated by the same people…