Since KDE plasma 6 with hdr support came out recently, I decided to check how some of the hdr tagged movies I’d watched previously look with that. I was surprised to see that they are rather dark, even in scenes under direct sunlight. I ‘tested’ the brightness by opening the movie in hdr and sdr at the same time and manually changing the sdr brightness to compare.

Most scenes, including those outside and in sunlight seem equivalent to 200 nits in sdr. Only highlights (like sky if the sky isn’t a large part of the shot, or glimpses of outside in indoor scenes) seem to reach 700-800 nits. I thought there was some kind of a baked in abl in the files, but then I found a scene (starkiller base firing in swtfa) that got more bright than the sdr brightness slider goes (while covering half the screen too), so that’s not it (Edit: I think this is an hdr to sdr mapping caused error. In some frames the laser becomes gray thus much darker in sdr versus hdr. In other frames 800-1000 nits seem right. Still the brightest scene I could find.). There seems to be a conscious decision to keep most scenes the same brightness

Are movies supposed to be like that? I’d think the cameras would capture the brightness accurately and that would be what you see with minimal modifications to it. What’s the point of hdr if there isn’t a brightness difference between a sunny scene and a cloudy scene? I mean, the highlights have a lot more detail instead of crush and that’s good… I’m pretty sure those that I’ve seen in the theather were not this dark in most scenes tho.

I’ve tried a few web-dls and blurays. They all seem to have this issue.

Increasing contrast from the player seems to work and I guess I’ll just find a good default for that and forget about it eventually, unless you have a suggestion. Expected more from the fabled hdr tho

Sorry if this doesn’t fit here

Edit: Bit the bullet and booted windows to analyse the files. They are indeed dim for my taste (due to having low max brightness and/or baked in abl), with high brightnesses only being used in highlights and the rest are 400-200 nits. Took some screenshots (they’re badly blooming since they’re sdr screenshots of hdr). The cursor is positioned on the sky in most and in a bright area in the rest:


I took another right before this shot while they’re still in the ship but forgot to save it. The tiny bit of visible sky was 600 nits in that shot, so I think this file does have baked in abl.

Star wars turned out to be pretty good with a 1000 nit target in general, but the desert is still dim for some reason (below 50 nits in this scene!)

Also tried spiderverse on suggestion. It wasn’t that bright but I think that’s fine for animation.

  • Domi@lemmy.secnd.me
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    8 months ago

    I’m also using Plasma 6 to play games and watch movies in HDR and everything looks as expected.

    What monitor/TV do you use? Did you install the necessary Vulkan layers? Do you use mpv with the correct parameters? Which movies/scenes?

    You can try turning the SDR brightness all the way down and back up. If the brightness of mpv changes, you’re not running in HDR.

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      BTW how did you get the games to work? Gamescope is incredibly unstable for me. If it doesn’t freeze immediately then it either doesn’t change focus to the launched game or freezes on launch. Tried without it but then xwayland eats the hdr and it comes out horrible. Is it nvidia incompatibility?

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          8 months ago

          You didn’t need to install the vulkan layer and use gamescope?

          Edit: if you use gamescope, do you have Nvidia?

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              I highly doubt it actually works if you didn’t install the vulkan layer. Does the sdr brightness slider have an effect on the game?

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    8 months ago

    Dumb question, but are you using a monitor that supports HDR? And is set to display in HDR?

    I’m not sure how KDE handles HDR but if you’re looking at the SDR and HDR side by side, one of them is either displaying incorrectly or being converted on the fly to display in the other dynamic range.

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      In my understanding hdr is mostly supported in wayland (the core parts of it anyway) but it’s not finalised so it remains largely unimplemented. Kwin itself can only output hdr to the monitor but can’t get hdr video from programs due to a lack of vulkan support (?). There’s a patched vulkan layer to bridge the gap.

      I don’t think that’s the issue but I guess it could be. I’ll try an hdr brightness test video and compare it to the kwin managed sdr brightness slider to see

      Edit: Yup it works correctly

      Edit 2: I think the vulkan requirement might be just for it to work with hardware acceleration