See also: The Call of Chtulhu
See also: The Call of Chtulhu
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I’d rather have Spider-Man as a guide for my morals than that genocidal freak they call God.
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You could do a lot worse than Peter. "With great power, there must come great responsibility" is an adage to live by.
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- Be God
- Create humans
- Wipe out almost all life off earth in a flood because you’re not happy with the result
Yup, that’s what I call responsibility.
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Actually there are many books of Spiderman which means there's more proof for Spiderman than there is for God.
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Middle English: via Old French from ecclesiastical Latin biblia, from Greek (ta) biblia ‘(the) books’, from biblion ‘book’, originally a diminutive of biblos ‘papyrus, scroll’, of Semitic origin.
Little books. Booklets. Since both God and Spiderman have several books, they will have to play this out by arm wrestling or Parcheesi.
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And New York City is real, so that means Spiderman is real (this is literally the logic that some Christians use to defend the Bible)
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Also, there are now more Ikea catalogs published than the Bible, making Ikea the superior religion.
Since Ikea a famous for their meatballs, a part of the holy dish and body of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, our Holy Noodle is more real than the Christian god, or any other god.
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Imagine picking up a copy of a copy of a copy of partial recreation of a blog entry about Spiderman existing in the year 4000, and having a long argument over whether Alain Robert, "The Human Spider" ever existed.
Imagine picking up a copy of William Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar" in the year 4000 and insisting "This guy couldn't have been real, either".
It's curious, because I rarely see this argument aimed at the Apostles - particularly John and Peter. There's just this tacit "They're liars, it never happened" subtext. No one is brave enough to challenge the entire history of a schism in the Jewish church two millennia ago. Or to consider the apocrypha or the gnostic texts or the plethora of splinter faiths that emerged from this singular moment.
These are things that seemingly happened independent of a non-existent person, without any identifiable precursors. It's like spilling a bunch of ink claiming Lincoln wasn't real without asking who won the presidency in 1860.
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In Julius Caesar a clock strikes three, and while they had hours (a fraction of the daytime, not a standard unit) they didn't have mechanical clocks.
But then while we know what happened to Julius Caesar based on historical accounts, even chronicles were politicized, which is why we don't know of Julia the Elder boffed half of Rome or was just the victim of slander. (Dramatists prefer she did while academics assume she was virtuous). So we know some of the details of the mass assassination of Julius Caesar but we only know some of the general details, which allows a lot of latitude in period recreations.
Jesus existed according to academics (based on third party accounts) but he might have just been an anti-establishment activist or a failed apocalyptic prophet. Not only did Jerusalem have those by the dozen but so did most satellites from which Rome demanded tribute. The miracles and matching Jesus up to fit the prophesies came later. Also Pontius Pilate loved crucifixion and had execution teams on standby where it was considered elsewhere in Rome a dire sentence for the worst of offenders. Pilate was the Roman equivalent of a hanging judge, so it was super-easy for a malcontent in Jerusalem to end up on the cross.
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I haven't really heard that Jesus of Nazareth didn't exist as an argument against Christianity, just that he wasn't God and didn't to miracles/resurrection. There is a ton of exaggeration in all mythology texts, and some are just stories to illustrate a point. But of those that did have factual events, they are rarely a true telling.
Maybe some Israelites left Egypt during a particularly shitty time in Egypt. It is so easy to take a story of a smallish group of Israelites escaping slavery during a plague and being chased by some guards who gave up, and repeatedly embellish that story until God both hardened Pharaoh's heart and punished him for not doing right by His people (which number far more than could possibly have been living in Egypt at that time) by giving a series of plagues, and then wiping Pharaoh and his army out with a magical sea passage that closed on them. It's such a trope of all human storytelling it's been a joke for centuries.
Apply that to literally every story, think of the motivations behind those writing it, and you can get an amazing moral teacher becoming God.
But to the point of the meme, from the perspective of people in the future, there may have been a Peter Parker, but there's no reason to believe there was a Spider-man without more to go on than the comics. Likewise, religious texts.
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Spider-Man. Respect the hyphen.
And he's real. And broke.
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/22dd641b-9dec-4118-b3e8-09087b1979c7.mp4
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He was always the least ego centric spider-man.
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I'm Buddhist, and it's always struck me as odd that so many religious people require their text to be literally true.
If it were to be definitively proven that the person called Jesus Christ never existed as a historical person on earth, the various Christian churches and organizations would stop at nothing to attempt to discredit this. They would be furious.
On the other hand, if it were definitively proven that Siddartha Gautama, the person who will be called the Buddha, never existed as a historical person on earth, most Buddhists would find it interesting, probably even humorous, and would go on happily practicing Buddhism.
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Christianity's power rest on Jesus nature as God and human at the same time. Without that the theology would have to be very very different.
Reading the new testament would be informative on this front. It is not about philosophy or morals, it is about Jesus Christ as a specific individual one must suck up to.
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That's very interesting to me. I dont know anything about Buddhism, can you explain why Buddists wouldn't be affected much if they found out their relifious figure never existed? I think for christians it would be devastating because it would mean all the promises the bible makes wouldn't come true, like a rewarding after life for it's followers and a punishing afterlife for non-believers. FYI I'm athiest, but I find religion and it's verious practices to be fascinating.
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Enlightenment isn't about some mystical truth and seeing into the unknown. It's about stripping away the illusions that cloud the way we see this reality. Those stories about the Buddha are ways to illustrate some of those illusions and how others might have come to the realization. It doesn't matter if they really happened. A lot of them are so constructed that they are probably fake, at least to some degree.
One that really affected me was the 72 problems story (or some number lol, I only remember that it's not 99, because 99 problems is from that Jay-z song, but ultimately it doesn't matter how many problems "everyone has").
For the short version, a man goes to the Buddha because he heard he can help him with his problems. He complains about his farm not doing well, his wife nagging, his kids not respecting him, a whole slew of 72 or so problems, and for each one when he asks if the Buddha can help him with that, the Buddha tells him no. Finally he complains that he didn't help him with any problem and the Buddha says "everyone has 72 problems, but I can help you with your 73rd problem: the problem that you have problems. Problems are a fact of life, if you get so bent up about having problems, you're going to have a miserable life because there's always problems. Accept that the problems exist and you'll find peace." And then the guy was enlightened (in that specific aspect of life, since enlightenment isn't a global state but basically just means "learned a deep lesson").
I'd get annoyed at needing to deal with things. Still do sometimes; enlightenment isn't some magical state. But when I notice that that is bugging me, I just remember the 72 problems story and dismiss that 73rd problem from affecting my mood. Which also indirectly helps with the problems themselves, because if you're pissed about having to deal with stuff, you'll be less effective at dealing with them (especially if your mood rubs off on others or attracts trolls). It truly feels like understanding that enabled an easy mode on some aspects of life. If the whole story was made up, it doesn't undo that understanding or eliminate that easy mode.
Whereas I've known Christians who can't understand why atheists don't just go around murdering people because if they don't believe in the Bible, what's even the point of trying to be good?
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This is why Christianity is so scummy. The only reason these shit heels “give back” is because they expect to he rewarded for it. Oh no, we can’t just be kind to be kind, we do it because we are promised something on the back end. Same energy and douchebags who record themselves donating to say the homeless. It’s all about what they get out of the transaction. A fucking pat on the back.
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Because it doesn't change the message at all. And if you follow a religion because you agree with its teachings, does the source really matter??
If you read somewhere you should be kind to others for betterment of the society. You said "that makes sense, I'll do it from now onwards", and you later learn it was a fantasy story and wasn't talking about real life, would you stop being kind? Now replace that with not actively hurting people.
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Because it's not about the person, it's about the Dharma, the teachings. Those exist with or without a historical Buddha, and that's what guides the practice.
Imagine that someone is showing you the moon by pointing at it. You want to look at the moon, not the finger. The Buddha is a finger pointing at the moon.
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Buddha mentions following the doctrine while also not discounting new discoveries of future eras
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I went to Catholic school (in Canada) and was taught (by priests and nuns) that Christianity probably started as a mushroom cult, Jesus probably didn't exist but was a composite of various wandering prophets/lunatics wandering around about that time (apparently it's been a popular way for idle young men to pick up chicks for centuries), etc... The bible was taught as a (very flawed) historical document and not the literal "word of god" as it was decades before. Even services were performed as comforting archaic rituals rather than stodgy religious services. This was consistent across schools, and even the one that was the seat of a cardinal was no different.
The Catholic religion gets a lot of flack (and deservedly so!), but at least they recognize it's basically just ritualistic bullshit (in Canada at least). Looking back, I think they are just happy to have people in their weird shroomless mushroom cult.
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Good God, tune the self-righteousness down a notch... I can barely see the screen through the smog of smug oozing from your post.
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Cthulhu definitely exists. He calls to me in my dreams.
Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!
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At this point, I would welcome the cosmic horror of the Old Ones
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What, so Cthulhu isn't real? But I hear his voice. Who else could command me to torture and eat all those stupid noisy kids?
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ICE?
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Why you little!
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Shub-Niggurath, the All-Mother. Cthulhu does not have interest in pesky kids.
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It's all a part of Azathoth's dream anyway, long may they slumber.
Those kids were just figments, but then so are we.
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Of course he's real! Don't let those filthy unbelievers confuse you! Keep up the good work!
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Who else could command me to torture and eat all those stupid noisy kids
The eternal hunger.
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At least cite Amazing Fantasy #15, heretic.
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For some reason I find op citation funnier.
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I have a book that proves Megatron overcame oppression and led the Decepticons to Freedom!
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Proof of cds
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I don't see how is this comparable
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You dont CDs?
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God exists in the same way spierman does, in our hearts.
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Actually, my Peter Parker location is slightly to the right of my spleen. He says he's very comfy there 🤷
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How hard would it actually be to write a sacred book from the ground up, following the same structure? I'm thinking in writing a cryptic book that could easily be interpreted in a lot of ways, but still feel like a real thing, and make another book series that cite it. Like Tolkien did with Elvish, but a book instead of a language.
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Mormons
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The only difference between a religion and a cult, is the number of cultists.
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Someone should use AI to take the bible and make a competing religion that uses science to disprove otger religions but convinently injects it's own unscientific narrative just to see how many people get convinced.
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To be fair, any text is terrible proof.
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I'm not a believer but their is decent evidence to suggest that Jesus was a real guy.
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Ok, even if there was a guy named Jesus (which, like, there were thousands; that name was super popular at the time), this guy wasn't god. The meme says the bible is their proof that god exists, not that some guy named Jesus existed.
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But a schizophrenic guy named Jesus must have been much rarer.
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There's decent evidence Tom Holland is a real guy too
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Lies and heresy.
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Not really. There is no contemporary evidence and all tales about him were written decades or centuries after his purported life. And even if there was a preacher named Jesus that got executed by the Romans for sedition, that still doesn't make any of the supernatural claims any more plausible.
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But is there an evidence that he was a son of god?
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No. That's why it's religion, because it is based on faith. If there were enough evidence then it would be science, or objective fact.
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Yeah, he was a normal guy
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"sup, name's Jesus, you guys into 40k?"
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Who is more likely to be real. Robin Hood or Jesus?
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There's as much evidence to support a dude named Jesus lived in Nazareth, as there is that a guy named Sam lives in current-day New York.
A few hundred to a few thousand Jesuses likely lived in Nazareth.
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Can you name any such evidence?
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Check out Dr. Bart Ehrman's book Did Jesus Exist?, he goes over all the evidence.
Every week I receive maybe two or three emails asking me whether Jesus existed as a human being. When I started getting these emails, some years ago now, I thought the question was rather peculiar and I did not take it seriously. Of course Jesus existed. Everyone knows he existed. Don’t they?
But the questions kept coming and soon I began to wonder: why are there so many people asking? My wonder only increased when I learned that I myself was being quoted in some circles – misquoted rather – as saying that Jesus never existed. I decided to look into the matter. As it turns out, to my surprise, there is an entire literature devoted to the question of whether or not there ever was a real man, Jesus.
I was surprised because I am trained as a scholar of the New Testament and early Christianity, and for thirty years I have written extensively on the historical Jesus, the Gospels, the early Christian movement, the history of the church’s first three hundred years. Like all New Testament scholars, I have read literally thousands and thousands of books and articles in English and other European languages on Jesus, the New Testament, and early Christianity. But I was almost completely unaware of this body of skeptical literature, except as a slight image on the very periphery of my vision. As are most of my colleagues in this field of scholarship.
Those who do not think Jesus existed are frequently militant in their views and remarkably adept at parrying counter-evidence that to the rest of the civilized world might seem completely compelling and even unanswerable. But these writers have answers, and the smart ones among them need to be taken seriously, if for no other reason than to show why they cannot be right about their major contention. The reality is, whatever else you may think about Jesus, he certainly did exist. That is what this book will set out to demonstrate.
I hardly need to stress what I have already intimated, that this is the view of virtually every expert on the planet. That in itself is not proof, of course. Expert opinion is, at the end of the day, still opinion. But why would you not want to know what experts have to say?
https://ehrmanblog.org/my-book-did-jesus-exist-an-answer-to-the-mythicists/
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I love the one downvote. Like they're actually upset thier magic book isn't real.
Yeah, Spiderman fans can be that way.
that's just Scott. he's a dick
"YOU'RE a dick!"
Lol that's the bot that downvotes everything. its not even an actual person.
You can expect to get random 1-5 bot downvotes per comment, its part of being an Open Source platform
There's 7 now. Could be the other denominations feeling left out or the Jewish upset the Torah is represented by their even younger siblings, v1.1 and V2.0.
This is just so obvious. Why would God leave multiple versions of his own story around? Why did he not reveal himself to humans for the first million years of human existence on this planet? The only logical conclusion you can make is that humans invented Gods and not vice versa.