If There Was A Button That Made Everyone Amish
If There Was A Button That Made Everyone Amish
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I've seen Amish:
Burn chemicals and paints in a pile behind their shop
Have dumpsters full of plastic "sawdust" from a shop that makes plastic furniture
Rebrand cheap chinese electronics and batteries to sell in their communities (MillerTech)
Zip around on a one wheel
Ride electric scooters
Log out relatively pristine forest to make more farms
Log land that isn't theirs, without permission, for weeks before being discovered and confronted.
Vote down school levies repeatedly until the local schools shut down
Open a retail store in a mall
These days the amish button isn't nearly as great as you might think....still funny to think about how everyone would react though
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100% for real. On top of the fact that the 4th panel would read:
POOF NO MORE HUMAN RIGHTS NO MORE REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH NO MORE FREEDOM OF/FROM RELIGION
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Agreed, humans are terrible, no matter our political or technological beliefs.
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Um, akshually, there would still be lots of burning things for heat and livestock. Livestock are the majority of all mammals on earth, outnumbering humans by a lot, only 6% of mammals are wild animals. In addition, lack of preserved food would lead to higher consumption.
BUT it being so unsustainable and full of disease would mean it would rapidly decrease populations, which would decrease ecological impact after a couple of generations, so it's a sound strategy longterm.
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My father claims the simple life on a homestead is way closer to nature and pollutes less than living in a city.
He cuts his wood with a chainsaw that's using a mixture of gas and oil. This gas and oil certainly doesn't come from the trees. Its imported. But it's apparently the traditional way.
Then in winter he burns the wood to heat the house and it creates a circle of soot in the white snow all around it. But it's all natural. On certain days, when you go outside around his house, you can taste the wood burning in the air. All natural!
If we all go back to owning our plot of land and exploit it like settlers, surely this is going to be good for the environment.
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Tell him the NEW homestead way is better. Solar panels, lifepo4 batteries, electric chainsaw, heatpump primary wood burn auxiliary if you live somewhere it gets well below freezing.
Before anyone says anything solar still works on a cloudy day it just makes less, that's why you size your array to make what you need when it's cloudy not when it's sunny. Summer can just have an over abundance of power nothing wrong with that
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Natural and Traditional is an axe, not a chainsaw.
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Yes and no. Chainsaw is really marginal polluter.
What warms your house in the winter? Where is dirtier snow? In your fathers homestead or in the city? Where is more generaly more particless in the air? In the countryside or in the city.
Wood is better than coal or oil, but worse than nuclear or renevables.
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idk if joining an oppressive religious cult where women have less rights than men do is the answer to global warming.
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It might not be the answer, but it certainly is one, if everyone does it.
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fair enough
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Also it's not a way of life that scales well to 8 billion people. Wood fires produce way more exhaust at the cost of many trees, while electric heat can be powered by the sun or a flowing river.
Livestock produce tons of CO2, and farming takes a lot of land. We can't all be Amish, and it certainly wouldn't solve climate change.
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At 4:30 in the morning I'm milkin' cows
Jebediah feeds the chickens and Jacob plows, fool
And I've been milkin' and plowin' so long that
Even Ezekiel thinks that my mind is gone!
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We been spending most our lives
\ Livin' in an Amish paradise! Ooh Oh Ooooh!
\ I churned butter once or twice
\ Livin' in an Amish paradise! Ooh Oh Ooooh!-
Hitchin' up the buggy,
Churnin' lots of butter,
Raised a barn on Monday,
Soon I'll raise another!
Think you're really righteous?
Think you're pure of heart?
Well I know I'm a million times as humble as thou art!I'm the pious't guy the little amish wanna be,
Like on my knees day and night,
Scorin' points for the afterlife!So don't be vain! And don't be whiney!
Or else I might have to get medieval on your hiney!
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Humans would rapidly organize right back into cities and make up whatever rules or interpretations of Amish law/religion that allowed them to. People gonna be people and ignore or twist religion to do whatever they want.
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Humans would rapidly organize right back into cities
The Amish already live in townships. Congregations of humans are generally better for the environment than far-flung rural enclaves with low-efficiency infrastructure.
People seem to forget how much ecological destruction occurred at or prior to an Amish standard of living. Case in point, the deforestation of Europe
the bulk of which was completed before the 16th century.
"Primitive" does not mean "ecologically sustainable". Quite a bit of our animal husbandry, agricultural, and pre-industrial economic activity were horrifyingly bad. We just weren't operating at the scale of eight billion humans while we were living like that.
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Yep. Coal and wood as the main energy sources are absolutely awful. Global warming would be gone because people would be dead from the pollution. There's a reason that there were tons of maids cleaning old mansions constantly.
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Don't be silly.
The Amish don't use buttons!
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Do you see any buttons after the button was pressed? 😎
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We may have a paradox on our hands...
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Some do
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I know, but couldn't resist the joke. I have poor impulse control.
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Yes they do, for clothes.
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Found some interesting info here - https://amishrules.com/why-dont-the-amish-use-buttons/
Apparently some New Order Amish use buttons, and some men of more traditional orders use buttons but conceal them (only using them in places that wouldn't be visible from the outside.) Amish women (of traditional orders) can't use buttons at all.
A massive part of it is adhering to modesty, with fancy buttons considered "showy" and "distracting" particularly for women, as well as a way to impart individual style (which goes against their beliefs.) For men, buttons are associated with military dress, and as the Amish are pacifists, they consider buttons to be inappropriate and aggressive.
It all comes down to the individual order that people follow. Some use buttons in certain outfits, but some don't use them at all.
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xD
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"Behold, the Amishinator!"
EDIT: Downvoted by a carrier pigeon sent by the Amish
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Egad!
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Most interesting parts of Handmaid’s Tale “Gilead” are when they’re boasting about reductions in pollution and greenhouse gas emissions their eco-christo-fascism has produced!
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One of the big questions I have about our current Holocene extinction is at what point humans constrain their own polluting capacity based on their contracting biome.
Like, imagine a country like Germany or Japan or Russia or the US having a bad enough agricultural cycle that they experience a massive food shortage (or even a famine) on the scale experienced by Bangladesh or China in the 1950s (or Gaza in the modern day). What does that do to our carbon emissions?
We already saw the impact of COVID on air traffic and the sudden dramatic plunge in regional temperatures that came from not flying planes for a few weeks.
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The Amish are the biggest users of private jets. Don't look that up.
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Are you referring to this?
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Don't look up... Why?
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Because they were joking
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Remember if you click that no more porn...
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I have a neighbour willing to show me her ankles so I still support this.
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It won't take the CO2 out of the air, and as they produce just enough food for their own use, a few billion people will starve. Never mind.
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maybe inspired by this comment? https://lemmy.ca/comment/18397539
I've seen so much degrowth spam/trolling yesterday. This is organized hopelessness in favour of a hopeless failure of a solution. The only degrowth that will ever occur is through mass war/murder. It is a massive resource/diesel investment to conduct the mass destruction/murder. It takes a very dark soul to support degrowth, because it simply has no implementation path based on everyone voluntarily internalizing BP's carbon footprint personal responsibility.
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A degrowth can be in consumption rather than population. We could use less plastic, less gas,...a lot less
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Clean energy can replace oligarchist climate terrorist energy without degrowth. Plastic is not a climate problem, and much of it recyclable. Ocean pollution is primarily fishing nets, which seems easily solvable with cotton or other biodegradable materials.
Degrowth, other than voluntarily choosing veganism or carbon footprint responsibility, as global or national policy, means intentional permanent recession, strengthening oligarchist supremacist opposition to degrowth. It gives an appealing side benefit to genocide.
There won't be enough voluntary uptake to make a dent, even if degrowth becomes a political coalition to pander to. Clean growth with carbon/GHG taxes partially funding freedom dividends globally, is a recipe for utopian global harmony and happiness. Degrowth, a divisive recipe for supporting genocidal warmonging, that contributes to coalition inclusive of degrowth not gaining power due to the economic stupidity of including their platform. Portraying leftist ideology as fascist bureacratic economic destruction and warmongering is an oligarchist supremacist ploy.
Deindustrialization of the US has resulted in political scapegoating straw grasping, that won last election: Immigration, and bipartisan war on China path. Global or national degrowth will fuel more hatred, and passion for war, because we are well below the democratic capacity of Idiocracy, already.
My fight with degrowth trolls yesterday was in response to milestone in clean H2 achievement out of China. Because the US has climate terrorist oligarch energy protections, it ensures it loses AI race with China. Oligarchist media would rather you promote Amishness degrowth (btw needs more acres per people than currently available acres), than adopt Chinese clean energy to permit technology and manufacturing growth. ie. If we lost at solar dominance/relevance, and will lose at AI relevance, pretend we never should have tried.
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We've gone too far. We can't stop this, we can only stop making it worse and learn to adapt to a changing world climate. The natural global processes of the planet have been altered and they are in the process and chaos of shifting into new normals. How long will it take to stabilize? No one knows. This kinda thing has happened to the planet before, but it happens to be quite catastrophic to the life living on it when it does. The jet stream is collapsing and major ocean currents are shifting. We have absolutely no control over these things and it's already started. Everything on the planet is connected to these natural processes. It's why things were the way they were, climate wise. Not anymore!
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We have absolutely no control
We absolutely do, that's a doomer narrative that is extremely useful for those invested in making it worse.
Science suggests we face a reversible issue.
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You can control the jet stream? Dope!! I thought it had to do with ocean temperatures and how the ocean is mostly fucked in that sense and hence everything has gone haywire. We can't control major air currents dude, they just do what they do because they do. I'm not dooming anything. We have been at idle too long, the goals are no longer reachable that would stop this, it needed to be done decades ago and not sure it was ever even possible then.
What science suggests it's reversible? We can't cool the ocean, we can't take chemicals out of the ozone layer. We can slowly reverse it back to something, or allow it to stabilize by not drive the causes further into the red, but there is no going back. Sorry. Ship has sailed. That parrot is past tense!
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has anybody seen breaking amish? that show is amazing
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Wait until you hear about cow farts
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For the last time, dude. You don't hit the Spanish button in this house, okay?
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We need a button like this but it clearly and in common language states the levels of technology and quality of life we can expect.
Humanity globally votes on a spectrum of these agreements until we find a suitable level.
My pitch is; we maintain enough electronic production to keep us all online at a basic desktop computer.
We get one new phone each decade, and one replacement phone should it break.
Other than that, what do we really need? Electricity and farming, a mild amount of houses to be constructed.
We should minimize R&D to things that lower power costs or energy usage/efficiency.
But we don't need a space program. We don't need excessive military spending. We don't need Formula One races, or joy rides in helicopters. We don't really need tourism. We only need a limited amount of mining and manufacturing. We don't need plastic toys.
We need a global shift in culture, lifestyle and cooperation... We need to be the techno-amish-collective.
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I love most of it.. But we definitely need a space program. That's how we learn to be more efficient, and the cost is incredibly low
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In the future I want to be a Space Amish
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I don't think it is, have you seen how much rocket fuel we use? That stuff is not great for the environment. Also it's all tied up with the military industrial complex and there's basically zero chance of us going anywhere good.
We should learn to terraform here before even thinking about mars.
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Good tourism is how you avoid wars. No cruises, yes local, trained guides. It's harder to hate what you know.
Good racing got us the TGV. Formula One is a testbed for hybrid vehicles and efficiency. I don't know enough to say NASCAR brings no benefits at all, but pretty close to useless.
The current race for resources on the Moon is awful, but unmanned space exploration has helped us learn a lot about our own planet, including the mechanisms of climate change.
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What makes you think this is about wars ....the comic ends with "no more climate change"... Not "no more wars".
But also you're spouting Neo-Liberal propaganda. Italy no doubt hosted international races before being fought against in WW2, and Climate Change is obviously going to have more resource wars than before.
But why does no one here understand my pitch is CLEARLY UTOPIAN. It proposes global solidarity on climate change. Which is obviously a UTOPIAN pitch about climate change.
CLIMATE CHANGE.
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I don't think that vote is going to come out like you're imagining. Most people either don't get it at all, or are just too egoistic.
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No more global warming, but a lot more sexual assault.
And deaths from tooth aches, small cuts, the flu...
But at least we'd be "living in an Amish paradise"
No more global warming, and i get to die? what's the catch?
Global warming would continue tho even if this happened.
Please continue your reasoning.
And animal cruelty.
And also, continued global warming.
Seriously, why does anyone think regressive religious principles would do anything but continue the pillaging of natural resources? Amish are just cosplayers riding on the successes of an industrial civilization, most of them are capitalists who use technology to create crafts to sell to midwest white middle-class folk as their primary means of sustenance.
Amish attitudes towards technology are so contradictory and flimsy they make fantasy genres like Warhammer 40k look sensible.