• i3c8XHV@aussie.zone
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    23 days ago

    The Palestinians can stop the war in Gaza any minute. They could have stopped it yesterday. They could end it tomorrow. They could wlend it this very minute.

    They could have had a Palestinian state. They could have a Palestinian state.

    This is the ultimate truth that leftist media is working so hard to hide: The Palestinians don’t want a Palestinian state. They want Israelis not to have one.

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    8 months ago

    The irony of literally anyone (eligible) not voting for Biden specifically because of his handling of the Gaza situation, and thereby doing their part to help Donald “Gotta Finish the Problem” Trump win, makes my bones hurt. I hate this timeline and I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.

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      8 months ago

      The irony of literally anyone (eligible) not voting for Biden specifically because of his handling of the Gaza situation

      I left my primary ballot blank. There was nobody on the ticket who wasn’t going to continue the genocide (with perhaps Marianna Williamson as an exception, but I’m not indulging her vanity campaign). Come November, I suspect I’ll be in the same spot. Two candidates who are endorsing genocide, with the caveat that one is waving an Israeli sports pennant while the other repeatedly insists he feels really bad about it.

      I hate this timeline and I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.

      Swing by Gaza. We’ll sell the Israelis the next round of ammo used to wipe you off the face of the Earth.

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        8 months ago

        It’s a good thing that the only responsibility of a US president is deciding what to do about Israel.

        If they were the only person able to veto something like a national abortion ban, or legislation criminalizing trans people, it would really mess with your calculus.

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          8 months ago

          It’s a good thing that the only responsibility of a US president is deciding what to do about Israel.

          Hey now, that’s not true. He’s also responsible for getting his Too Woke judicial nominees filibustered, appointing a bunch of corporate flacks to the Federal Reserve, doing photo ops at the US-Mexico border while wearing tacti-cool kit and frowning through a pair of binoculars, and fucking up the handling of the next environmental / weather disaster. And who can forget the most important job of any President? Fundraising!

          If they were the only person able to veto something like a national abortion ban

          Then we’re already fucked, because that would imply all this hemming and hawing about abortion being a losing issue for Republicans failed to pan out and now a bunch of sadistic right-wing fucks are crowding into the House and Senate.

    • ZK686@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      “I don’t want to live on this planet anymore…” oh please, just stop. How horrible is your life? You sound like a whiny liberal. People are dying all over the world, being murdered for religious beliefs, sexual preference, politics…etc…and you don’t want to live because “that big bad republican might become President…” Please…

    • Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca
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      8 months ago

      Remember Trump isn’t on the democratic ballot. You can’t vote against him until November. Your only choice in the primaries is to vote for Biden or vote that you are here for the other progressive and democratic choices down ballot but Biden has to earn that commitment by doing something against his own personal desire to be a Zionist and instead help starving children get food.

      Uncommitted doesn’t mean I’m never going to vote for Biden. It just means he has to earn it through action.

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        8 months ago

        Sure, but how many people are casting uncommitted or seeing how unpopular Biden is and are going to stay home in November because of it? My guess is not zero.

        I get the protest and the timing, but it’s unclear if it’s really inoffensive in the general.

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          8 months ago

          Then it sounds like Biden needs to take a firm anti-genocide stance to get those voters to actually vote, no? Do you think the number of Biden voters would decrease if Biden stopped the genocide?

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            8 months ago

            I think the number of voters in general will decrease if Trump wins, considering he wants to get rid of elections entirely.

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              8 months ago

              Do you disagree with the statement that Biden taking an anti-genocide stance, rather than his current pro-genocide with wrist slaps stance, would increase voter turnout?

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      8 months ago

      The general election will be a competition between two senile goons shouting “I love Israel more than you!” at one another from across a debate stage.

      Then we’ll all get an earful about how voting is a civic duty and you need to choose which one is the lesser of the two evils.

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    8 months ago

    But sure, yeah… go ahead and just not vote. Letting Trump in will be so much better for the Palestinians.

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      8 months ago

      A week ago, the difference between the two would have been that Trump would enable Israel in every way, while Biden would enable Israel in every way, but staffers would leak stories about how much Biden didn’t like Netanyahu from time to time. Now, Biden has started sending aid to Gaza while Harris is calling for a ceasefire, and this is entirely because 100K voters in Michigan voted uncommitted. When done properly, threatening to withhold your vote can be an effective way to make your voice heard.

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          Yeah, I’m not saying there’s been enough change, just that there has been some change, and it was brought on by people threatening to withhold their vote.

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            it was brought on by people threatening to withhold their vote.

            Its definitely been a wake-up call to the party. Watching Biden shed 20% of Democratic voter turnout in a fucking primary is something. Obama and Clinton never had these kinds of problems in '12 and '96. And guys that did - Carter getting burned by Ted Kennedy in '80 and Bush to Buchanan in '92 - should have been a warning to the party as a whole.

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              Yeah, I’ll be honest, I’m very worried about this election. I’m still unhappy with Biden’s approach to Israel, but at least now they can credibly argue that voting for him would be harm reduction for Palestinians. Maybe that will be enough to drive turnout.

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                8 months ago

                at least now they can credibly argue that voting for him would be harm reduction

                Right until the polls close in November, at which point its back to business as usual.

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      8 months ago

      Letting Trump in

      Winner-take-all electoral college means you never really had a voice in the matter.

      You should have moved to a Blue State before 2020, so your physical presence could be used to tip how many electoral votes that state produced, if you really cared about stopping Trump in 2024. That’s the only consequential method of putting a (very tiny) finger on the scale of a Presidential contest.

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          From a population perspective, it wouldn’t matter. Your best bet would be to find a bright blue state that is on the cusp of getting a new house seat. That would boost up the EC total for the state and guarantee consistent adds to Team Blue. Moving to a purple state and hoping you are THE swing voter mostly just means you make the state more valuable to invest in by the various campaigns. You’re still going to be functionally feeding Red Team during red election waves (which blue needs votes the most) when your view is most likely to be in the minority.

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    8 months ago

    Trump isn’t lying I think. I just don’t think the Middle East will sit idly by after his final solution.

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    8 months ago

    That’s your choices kids…the slow genocide of Palestine or shock and awe.

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    8 months ago

    Lol…MOST Democrats support this idea too… they just don’t come out and say it.