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A friend of mine went on a date Sunday night. For some reason they started talking politics. This bitch ass cry baby mommas boy walks OUT on the date, WITHOUT paying for his drinks/food. Luckily my friend only had to pay for her stuff. I'll give you one guess what his political leanings were. These maga morons got no balls
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Your friend dodged a bullet.
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For your own safety you should really ask about their political ideology before meeting them. Make sure to not let them fool you either, never tell them yours first.
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Wait, that's dumb. If all "good" people refused to tell their political leanings, and you're not going to meet someone who will not disclose it, you're kinda' just setting up a lonely life with those assinine rules...
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Man you'd think. Some ppl just use politics to hide shitty behavior. Polis don't mean shit. See how friendly and helpful they are to strangers. Ppl thank can't offer anything.
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Morons And Genuine Assholes
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I'm glad I live in a place where this would give you almost no info.
Because there's more than two options.
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I don't think it gives any indication that there is only two optionsoh I see the red and blue arrows now, still you could say this anywhere and be suspicious
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Unless some politician had a recent shitstorm and no other politician was in hot water currently, I would probably ask who it was they wouldn’t vote for because I would have no clue. The same would apply if instead of a single person, it was about a single party, unless an especially bad one had popped up that election, I simply wouldn’t know which party they were talking about. I don’t even think I’d be suspicious, I’d be too busy being confused or curious.
For context, we currently have more than a dozen parties represented in government and half a dozen that didn’t get enough votes this time around, but are big enough to be recognizable and sometimes getting representatives in government.
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Yeah in practice you're right - if you live in the Netherlands and are adamant that you're not voting GroenLinks, I can be fairly certain that you're also not going to vote D66 or PvdD.
But that doesn't allow me to go on a rant about two-or-fewer-party systems :P
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I think a lot of us in the US have had this experience some time in the last 10 years. A work colleague or relative you don't know that well. People tend to avoid talking about politics directly, and often the euphemism (as seen here)bis ambiguous enough that it's a coin toss for what it actually means.
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Was it me? I bet it was me. That's okay, though. I probably wouldn't vote for me either.
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Lets just say, they protested and did direct action. Which is more meaningful and has a greater positive effect than some kayfabe like voting.
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Let's protect each other by being careful about what we say.
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They look young. Probably not voting for anybody.
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yeah they look like they were drawn yesterday
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The majority of Americans in general regardless of age didn't vote at all. I think I understand what you were trying to say either that or you were just being ageist
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It is historically accurate to say younger people vote less.
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Not a majority, just a plurality
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Yeah I'm not voting for a capitalist party.
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Congratulation! You have high-roaded the environment into the dumpster! You are complicit in all the actions of the election winners, because you helped put them in office!
May all your moralizing keep you warm at night.
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What about capitalist lite™️?
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I voted for the least capitalist party, but the most capitalist party won. Now the landlords are getting tax rebates and public services are running further into the ground.
A big chunk of apathetic people didn't vote at all. By the time I retire (whatever that means) everything will be privatised.
Climate change please hurry up.
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We can have a little exploitation and suffering as a treat.
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Do you also refuse to use dollars, because they’re an evil capitalist construct?
You can hate a system and push for its improvement while still using what you can out of it.
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According to every conversation I've ever had with a tankie that leaves you nobody to vote for, because EVERYONE is a capitalist.
CCP? Capitalist. Commie Russia? Capitalist. North Korea? Also capitalist.
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History shows that if the Dems regain full control, they will not reverse all this carnage 100%. They will reverse maybe 25% of it and pretend the rest isn't happening and maybe claim they don't have enough control and we'll hear the term bipartisan.
That's why I don't even fucking vote anymore. When they DO have some ability to improve things, they barely do. Biden proved to be exactly the slow-moving watered-down change I expected.
Fuck em all. And fuck you when you tell me how wrong I am. I really don't give a fuck.
Put up serious change on the ticket or I'll just roll my eyes again.
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The top part is true, but reversing 25% is something and it's not a constant flow of more carnage. If you don't give a fuck, then you are basically pro carnage since you are doing nothing to stop it, but fuck me right?
Also you can vote for who Dems up on the ticket in the primary. New York voters showed the rest of the country that it's possible.
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Where I have lived for my adult life in 3 significantly different parts of the country, it is true that my vote would have not at all affected the outcome on nearly all election positions I could vote for.
This was true multiple elections in a row. Whether my vote merely reaffirmed what was clearly going to happen regardless, or if mine was a waste since it was clearly not going to matter. In the vast majority of elections I did or could have voted in, I have looked after the fact and seen how my contribution, or lack of, Did. Not. Fucking. Matter.
Also most options I am presented with most of the time are uninspiring or downright evil.
As for effecting change. That's a waste of time. I learned that early on. Everyone has their viewpoints and beliefs and the vast majority will not be swayed. They either will not change, or were already on your side.
Its not my responsibility to "solve" America's 250 years of lies.
So have fun on your high horse as you highlight one cherry-picked recent primary result for one city in a country filled with 90,000 governments and countless elected positions.
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Just for the sake of discussion, I think there's a real argument to be made that reversing 25% is actually worse than doing nothing, because it makes people complacent. "Controlled opposition", if you will.
I'm not saying that's necessarily always the case, there are obviously tangible benefits to reducing some of the damage. But if it comes with allowing even more damage to be done later, because the changes are superficial and don't address the ways in which the right extremists can manipulate the political system, then people might be fooled into thinking the system still works and the long run consequences would be even more severe than if they realised it doesn't.
And if you fully realise that the political system doesn't work then I don't think it entirely makes sense to get on someone's case about voting or not. Not that they shouldn't, but there are much bigger issues.
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Theres a fire in my kitchen, but the fire extinguisher is only going to stop like 25% of the damage, so I'm committed to not stopping the fire.
To be clear, I also don't support the fire. But the fire extinguisher is:
- filled with chemicals
- makes a huge mess
- costs money to recharge
- may cause other damage from overspray
So the best thing for me and my kitchen is to do nothing until they make a "fix my kitchen" spray.
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When you need the fire department but are only allowed to die trying to fight the out of control blaze or die throwing gas on it.
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I'm committed to not stopping the fire.
There's a difference between being "committed to not stop the fire" and recognizing my tools at my disposal don't work for me.
A better version of your example is more like my single fire extinguisher might help me with some of my fire, but it turns out my neighbors lit the whole fucking neighborhood on fire, so rather than fighting my little fire and exhausting myself pointlessly, I chose to walk out and acknowledge I can't make a difference here.
If anything I should move out of the neighborhood but that's a luxury I don't have.
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I was with you in the first half, until you said you don't vote. You're as much to blame for this shit as anyone
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My vote in the last election LITERALLY WOULD NOT HAVE CHANGED A GOD DAMNED THING.
Get the fuck over yourself and just let your high horse fuck you in the ass. Take your idealism elsewhere. Fucking exhausting.
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"the problem is that people don't fully support the Democrats unconditionally. Not that the Democrats only run on being 'Republican Lite' and Republican voters wont support the Lite option when full calorie is on the menu"
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I'd rather live under fascism than to vote democrat
That's you.
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TIL you can commit a genocide without crossing the 'fascism' line
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Implies my vote would have changed the outcome. But it wouldn't have, and didn't in some past cases. So no, you're fucking dead wrong.
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Honestly, you're not giving enough credit to everything they do to make things worse. Between
-Clinton throwing money and resources at shitty ISPs and intellectual property ghouls in the 90s, -Obama putting legal niceties on Bush's assassination program and making sure nobody got held accountable for those murders, -Obama keeping every NSA spying program intact, -Obama throwing taxpayer money at private health insurance companies, -Biden killing stimulus checks (because obviously nobody supports UBI), -Biden throwing taxpayer money at fossil fuel companies, -Biden throwing money at ICE, -Biden throwing money at cops of all sorts, -etc.,
they have done a ton to entrench bad things and undermine good things too.
You should probably still vote for them because there's nothing on this list Republicans wouldn't try to turbocharge, but if we don't get rid of the awful Dems we have now and replace them with people who are actually willing to fight for us it's actually just a choice between carnage quickly or carnage slowly
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History shows that if the Dems regain full control, they will not reverse all this carnage 100%. They will reverse maybe 25% of it and pretend the rest isn't happening and maybe claim they don't have enough control and we'll hear the term bipartisan.
That's why I think we should keep the carnage at 100%
Weird take but ok
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Always astonishing to me that I am either being cut lightly a thousand times or fucking gutted by a fish, and I'm angry about all of it and you all seem to think the mature answer is to be grateful for the light cutting cause it's "better" by comparison.
"A person can be smart, but people are stupid."
Most people are complete utter fucking morons about this. Enjoy voting for slower death and somehow finding a smugness in it.
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The entire point of the Biden and Biden/Harris campaign was to make Trump term 1 bipartisan. "No, if you hate immigrants, you should vote for me. Because Democrats fill out the paperwork properly and like bureaucracy, so ICE will work more efficiently and the Wall will be built better, faster and cheaper" - Both Biden and Harris campaigns
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Our friends husband teld her he voted Trump.
It was one big nail in the coffin of that marriage.
Anyone who voted for trump deserves to get divorced. The lack of morals, the lack of basic human empathy is present in all trump voters.
Even in the best case scenario of a well-intentioned-but-ignorant person that didn't think critically about what a Trump vote meant, I still wouldn't want to be married to a fool.
You've gotta use your brain if you want to ride this train.
How would I not know the political views of my husband?
It's possible that his views were conflicted.
I have family whose politics I understand pretty well, and I don't know who they voted for. What I do know is that they were torn between: "Trump's blatant antisemitism is a danger to us here in America" and "Trump is good for Israel".
Yeah, not communicating enough with your spouse to know their political beliefs would be a major red flag. That in itself should be the final nail in the coffin.