Trump DOJ is looking at ways to ban transgender Americans from owning guns, sources say | CNN Politics
Trump DOJ is looking at ways to ban transgender Americans from owning guns, sources say | CNN Politics
A republican shoots up a school and nobody sees any issue with Republican ideology, but the second a trans person does we've gotta take away the guns, right?
Lefties and trans folk, arm up. If you haven't bought your piece yet, start the application process. Once you have it, it becomes almost impossible for them to take it away by force.
I think you mean the only way they'll take it is by force, and they will if they choose to do so. You aren't going to stop a SWAT team (or worse.)
It's not about stopping a specific incident. It's about sowing enough fear in their little piggy hearts that they think twice.
Personally I'm more worried about a caravan of lifted F250s with MAGA flags rolling through my neighborhood but everyones threat model is a little different.
Yep.. well 2nd amendment folks are hypocrites apparently. Shocker.
I don’t think Trump is popular for this. The NRA has already come out publicly they are against this. Rednecks hate trans people but they hate anyone who threatens to take guns away from citizens more it looks like.
Yeah, I had a feeling that would happen.
"First they came for the transgenders' guns, but I didn't speak up because I'm not transgender..."
Dems be like: "I allow it"
Remember: "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." -Karl Marx
Armed Minorities are harder to oppress.
Dems are okay with this?
e: I’ll take that as a no
What part if "shall not be infringed" do these fuckers not understand?
Ah see you're making a common mistake when reading the law. Republican's shall not be infringed, Democrats shall be infringed. It's a common mistake to assume the Republicans will respect others rights, they don't. They want all the rights for themselves and laws to apply to everyone else.
An in-group whom the law protects but does not bind, and an out-group whom the law binds but does not protect.
The general concept of social contracts, and law explicitly, apparently.
Shall be absolutely fine with right wing prejudice.
Trans people are statistically underrepresented among mass shooters. If we are targeting high risk demographics we should start with white men.
In case anyone's in any doubt about whether there's any factual basis for this:
Mass shooters are not disproportionately transgender, contrary to claims
This CNN article states it well:
Such a move would represent a dramatic escalation of the Trump administration’s fight against the rights of transgender Americans.
That's it. This is just the fascists finding another way to victimize trans people, because they enjoy doing that and it keeps the morons' attention diverted from real problems.
And this bit is also good in the article (warning: disgusting quotes from Trump admin people):
The goal of the potential ban, according to the Justice official, is “to ensure that mentally ill individuals suffering from gender dysphoria are unable to obtain firearms while they are unstable and unwell.”
Because gender dysphoria is included in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, also called the DSM, it is diagnosed as a mental disorder. (The DSM is the handbook used by health care professionals as the authoritative guide in diagnosing mental disorders.)
But the gender incongruence – having a gender identity that’s not the one assigned at birth – isn’t what makes gender dysphoria a mental disorder. Having clinically significant dysphoria around the incongruence is what makes it a disorder.
That's surprisingly nuanced and well informed for an article on a mainstream news site.
From what I understand, people with mental disorders (e.g. taking anti-anxiety meds) can still own guns. The threshold for being disallowed is if the person has been involuntarily institutionalized. So even if you have some kind of mental health crisis and check yourself in, that's voluntary so it doesn't prohibit you. It sounds hard to fit gender dysphoria into that framework.
OTOH apparently you're prohibited if you've used pot in the past year, so maybe they'll expand that to include vaccinations.
I would bet though that most made shooters are white though. Better male it so white people can't have guns...
Well lookie there, I was right
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Lol it's worse than that.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476445/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-gender/
I wonder if there's a similar split for regular shootings rather than mass shootings.
Well lookie there, I was right
No shit though?
You look at the largest racial population and wonder why it represents the highest raw number figure?
Looking at your source... (and taking population percentages from here... https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/population-and-demographics/our-changing-population/)
White: 54.2% while representing 58.9% of the population
Black: 16.8% while representing 12.6% of the population
Latino: 7.7% while representing 19.1% of the population
Asian: 6.5% while representing 6.1% of the population
Native American: 1.9% while representing 0.7% of the population
The white population overall under represents per capita mass shootings. You SHOULD expect white people to make up the majority. They ARE the majority.
Time to buy lots of guns and ammo everyone
Do you think 400 million guns were bought by only repubs?
Nope
Trans folks, get your guns while you can. They might be the difference between freedom or going to RFK's "wellness" farms. As an autistic who will someday be targeted, I intend to stand on the line of battle with you.
RFK's "wellness" farms
the brain worm was Substance D all along..
Having a gun will not protect you from the military, which is now our enemy.
There is only the option to run and I encourage trans people to begin executing those plans I know you've been making to get to higher ground. Pool your resources, go together, support each other.
To not fight is compliance in advance, which is a great source of power and comfort for fascism.
Further, it isn't likely for the whole of the American military to be aligned with the Trump Regime. Odds are that we will have a civil war - and one side will have minorities serving, many of whom are competent people who have been exiled by the Trump Regime from all sectors of government: Military, intelligence, bureaucratic, and more. Already, the west coast Blue States are forming their own vaccine coalition to replace the loss of Federal services. That is the sign of an upcoming secession, as the Blue States form mutual services that are not dependent on the support of the Trump Regime.
Aside from all of that, America historically had difficulty against guerillas, whom tend to have small arms and communities. Freedom fighters within America's borders are likely to be even more successful than their foreign peers, simply because ICE would run the risk of turning entire cities or states against the government. Foreign guerillas couldn't quickly influence the politics of America much, because they aren't American nor close to home.
it makes you a harder target. think of the SovCit and cult groups that squatted on Federal land for years. the government popped a couple (Waco and Ruby Ridge) but in others (e.g. the Bundy standoff, Malheur) the fringe groups were somewhat successful. sure, maybe in part because they were white male conservatives, but I think also because the government knew it'd be a bloody mess, and likely cause them casualties too. most cops are cowards. will they risk life and limb to bag a trans person?
basically, the goal is just to make it hard to round us up, not impossible. it's harder to sweep us up if we're strapped.
welp, that tears it. time to buy my first gun, while I still can. I'm not a big fan of guns but fuck if I'm going to let myself and my community be disarmed by the fascists. I'm not going quietly if they send us to the camps.
If you do and have not used one before please get training in the proper operation of it. Even if its from a book. Practice until you are comfortable with it. Otherwise you may end up shooting yourself or someone you care about by accident. You should know how it works and how to break down and clean it yourself.
oh absolutely. I'll take a full gun safety class and practice target shooting at the range.
If this is allowed to happen. This will just be the start.
This is going to result in either the left arming themselves in a way that will give them political power comparable to the right.
Or the courts will set a legal precedent for gun control regulations.
While I'm disgusted by the fact that it's a targeted act of persecution, this could be the Trump DOJ setting up a long-term win for the left.
Gun control would not be a win for anyone, especially not on the left.
Liberals love gun control
Leftists do not
IDK, I consider myself pretty far left, and generally pro 2A, but I'd be OK with some gun control. I feel like you can grasp the political value of firearms, and also not want a paranoid schizophrenic with a history of violence to have unfettered access to firearms.
I think as a society we can walk and chew gum, and I don't think that makes me Hillary Clinton.
Where is the NRA? First trans then unpardoned felons, the homeless, the unemployed poor people. The list goes on. Once in place, adding another group will not be questioned.
The NRA already said they cannot support this and stand against the sweeping ban of firearms.
Per their tweet:
The Second Amendment isn't up for debate.
The NRA supports the Second Amendment rights of all law abiding Americans to purchase, possess and use firearms.
NRA does not, and will not, support any policy proposals that implement sweeping gun bans that arbitrarily strip law-abiding citizens of their Second Amendment rights without due process.
They do this and the motives for violence only increase. How long until the next high profile assassination?
Gun restrictions you say? 🤔 Tell me again how the left-wingers came for your guns.
You must not live in CO
Ha, you're not wrong. I had actually forgotten about that, damn news consciousness is hard now. Yeah dumb lefty laws and they're actually in effect, but if they declare being trans as a mental illness and bar them from owning any guns, that's an entirely different beast. That's a core breach of the 2nd amendment in any interpretation.
It makes sense if you don't think about it. Which apparently the DOJ never did.
It's all about creating enemies the ignorant bigots can stand together against.
USA is a disgusting society.
It’s shaping up to declare us all mentally incompetent so that they can institutionalize us. They won’t stop here.
It's a stepping stone. First they'll target trans people, than anyone LGBTQIA+, then minorities, then anyone with liberal views, then anyone who looks weird to them. That was the purpose of that EO dipshit signed a few weeks back directing is admin to explore how to institutionalize anyone deemed mentally incompetent. All they have to do is declare "x group" is mentally ill and then they'll round em all up. It's fucked.
What a nightmare, and AFAIK no country will accept trans people from USA as refugees (yet).
I hope you have options.
Only people who have been vaccinated. They aren't monsters. /s
There was a convicted criminal now representative in my state that has a YouTube video out of her firing an assault weapon. She was the lead sponsor of the bill that banned assault weapons in our state. On top of that because of her past convictions it is illegal for her to be in possession of a firearm.
It only makes sense if you don't look at the shit show behind the curtains.
Ahah, the US right finally found someone that they don't want armed to the teeth.
I'm sure they have a whole list, this just happens to be their favored first domino
good luck with appeasing that extremely important anti 2A anti trans demographic. some say it's the biggest voting block in the world
It's ok, I have 2
Sounds like a good way to convince transgender people to buy guns
Which is often one of the big points.
Actually banning firearms purchasing is the kind of mess that "Universal 2FA" supporters* support up until they realize the logistics of what it would entail and quickly bounce back because it might impact white people.
But what does happen is the affected groups see the threat of a ban. So those who are particularly scared rush out to buy guns while they can (and so do the people who want them dead). Which bumps up sales and makes the firearms industry happy.
But it also means cops have an excuse to assume every single trans person is packing a machine gun. So no knock raids and executions increase.
*: Except for basically the select few gun nuts like Karl at inRange (Kasarda?) who actually genuinely believe everyone should have the right to own a gun and has gotten shit on and shunned by much of the "firearms community" for expressing these thoughts. With respect to trans people, even.
Hopefully the ban isn't retroactive if it does come to be.
I hate my life and I hate this world so much, yes this shithole of a country is one of the worst but others are rapidly sliding to this too. Why couldn’t I have just been born a women and never had to deal with all of this
hugs from a fellow trans woman. <3
this sucks. living with transphobia and dysphoria sucks. I can't promise it'll get better. hold your community tight, help them and let them help you. we're all we've got.
This is in no way to diminish your struggle or do any type of oppression ranking, but the GOP hates cis women too, with anti-abortion laws, putting rapists on the supreme court, aims at removing no fault divorce, the desire to make cis women baby factories who can't vote or work, etc. Cis hyper religious rich white men are the only things they tend to like.
They hate cis women less than they hate trans women, they me dead. At least cis women are allowed to live which is an improvement over what I have to deal with. At least other countries will more easily accept cis women in and allow them to exist. Being a cis woman right now isn’t easy but being a trans woman is goddamn hellish.
I'm sorry you have to deal with this.
I'm sorry this is happening. For whatever small comfort it may bring, please be assured that there are many people who don't hate you for being who and what you are, and we are doing all we can to help.
So they ARE for gun control?
Always have been. They just have to be in control.
Only in the sense that they want to be in control of who gets to have guns.
How would this stop them? Couldn't they just use the same gun show/online loopholes (the many way ways to acquire a gun in America)everyone else does?
EDIT: changed the phrasing to more accurately reflect the reality to satisfy people's dependence on nitpicking details at the cost of understanding the actual point.
Probably. I think this is more about providing an excuse for jailing any trans who choose to own a firearm, rather than stopping them
Serious question: do you believe that you can purchase a firearm from a commercial dealer online or at a gun show without regulation? Because in most cases, that simply isn't true.
Commercial dealer? No. Some dude in the parking lot named Colton? Absolutely.
I'll admit I'm not educated on the subject but it was my understanding that there is a loophole for gun shows.
In a country where there are more guns than people, I don't believe the barriers to entry for gun ownership for someone who really wants one are substantial. So fundamentally, yes, I do believe this.
True, just get someone to gift it to you.
I didn't want to spark a semantic debate, I am genuinely curious how people perceive firearm sales and acquisition in the US.
In my experience of having purchased and sold a few guns over the years, it's not quite as straightforward as most would believe. The laws vary by state, but in my cases all private sales (even at gun shows) are subject to background checks facilitated by an FFL holder (think gun store or pawn shop) and any applicable waiting periods.
That's not to say back-alley deals don't still occur and that unregulated states do a great job of tracking ownership, but the risk that private firearm sales and straw purchases pose are largely mitigated by the fact that most people don't want to have their name linked to a firearm that was sold to some unsavory individual.
Yeah, after all those mass shootings done by transgenders, I understand.
Wait, how many of the long list of mass shootings were done by transgenders? What is the muder rate in percentage by transgenders compared to sisgenders?
what is sisgender?
Grammer nazi alert! Weewoo weewoo! It's "cisgender"
You got me. I accept all consequences.
So if the next mass shooting is done by a non-trans person, does that mean non-trans people will be restricted from owning a gun?
Judging from right-wing media, all mass shooters secretly become trans just before pulling the trigger.
So you're saying that guns make people trans? Surely the right want to stop that too?
It's amazing how we're all told growing up there's no black and white good and evil. The world doesn't really have vampires and villains, just people who disagree on what's right. I'm surprised he hasn't painted the White House black yet.
(Yes, I know, but gold doesn't fit the metaphor)
Pretty much everyone in government is a crook at this point.
It's what happens when we let rich people decide who gets elected.
It's also why we need more heroes like the one who delivered justice to a billionaire that wasn't going to get it otherwise.
Hahaha...omg. USA. You're always good for a laugh. A sad laugh, as there's always comedy in tragedy and vice versa. But a laugh.
If I'd be lqbtq I'd probably already packing bags for a nice emigration into universal healthcare instead of fascicm and stupidity. Most anywhere else sounds like a nice destination!
let me know if you find any countries who will take us in please.
I would guess that in some countries, lqbtq from the us of a would indeed qualify as "politically persecuted". Considering what darn idiots we let in, i would surely prefer some colorful special snowflakes :) Could swear i've already read that canada did. And we (krauts) would probably too.
Damn these gun-grabbing democrats.
I mean, it's not like they're gonna try to stop him. These are just trans people's rights and democrats only talk about protecting trans rights until they get pushback from bigots.
Hell, they'll probably help him.
Next up, people with Trump Derangement Syndrome (RFK can diagnose you as you walk around in the airport)!
So no gun for Eric trump. sad
Good thing we have red flag laws to prevent other minorities from keeping their guns!
Liberals have no one to blame but themselves for causing this situation.
In order to get any mental health issue insured, a person needs to get a mental health diagnosis.
Mental health providers almost always diagnose someone with a DSM illness just to get coverage. I have never heard of someone seeing a psychiatrist or therapist and not getting any diagnosis at all.
Liberals also allowed being transgender to be a DSM illness so that transgender people could get medical coverage, which is a dishonest way of conceptualizing gender identity. It is very hard to get insurance to cover anything without that diagnosis.
Liberals have then linked gun purchases to a lack of mental health diagnosis in a misguided effort to strip Americans of the right to bear arms instead of encouraging more people to own guns, encouraged gun training, and encouraged free mental health care that has extreme privacy and no links to any status within society.
As a result, people who want access to guns do not seek mental health care since mental health care is expensive and can limit rights within society. And now those who have naively used mental health services and been labeled in order to get costs covered can be marginalized even more.
This is a disaster that liberals created by attacking 2nd Amendment rights. Instead of giving transgender people mental health diagnoses when they identify as trans, society should be giving these trans people free health insurance, free therapy that is completely private and will never result in a loss of freedom, and extensive and comprehensive free weapons training.
People who support trans people and support inclusion need to stop allowing Republican conservative pieces of shit to claim sole support for the 2nd Amendment. This should be a wake up call to all Trans people that if you can legally get armed, do it now, and stop seeing this Mental Health/Liberal coalition suppressing 2nd Amendment rights as being in anyone's interest. The second amendment was never meant to be limited and radical activist liberals and conservatives have perverted the intent of the founding fathers with the result that good upstanding trans people may lose their right to carry guns.
I have never heard of someone seeing a psychiatrist or therapist and not getting any diagnosis at all.
I have twice. Two different therapists, after three sessions, told me I was well adjusted and experiencing normal emotional response to stressful events. One told me she saw no reason to schedule additional meetings. The other said I could keep visiting him but he couldn't bill insurance since there was no diagnosis.
That said, this story is unique among everyone I've ever spoken to about it.
congratulations on your excellent adjustment i guess?
That’s a start to banning them for everyone. Cool
It’s a start towards forcibly institutionalizing trans people.
Don’t want that! Sorry, Bad joke :/
How can they ban transgender people from something if transgender people don't officially exist?