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Dems still trying to shame people to vote for Genocide lmao.
Is it any worse than tankies/MAGA trolls trying to shame people for voting for him?
Neolibs trying to shame people into voting for and keep whining when called out.
Consider reading the title of this article.
No one is being shamed here. The title of the article is a simple truth. And if you actually read the article, you’d have seen that it’s pretty well explained and understood fact.
But that’s not your game here, is it? I mean, your post and comment history illustrates the fact that from appearances… you’re here in bad faith.
You- and MANY like you here, are seemingly only critical of the left- NEVER the right. You’ve been called out for this before. And yet, you never have an explanation for it. Also….Anyone can check your comment history in the mod logs to see how much misinformation is shared by you. So it’s no big secret anymore why you are here and what you’re about.
But don’t let this get in the way of- whatever it is you think you’re doing here.
You- and MANY like you here, are seemingly only critical of the left- NEVER the right.
This is blatantly untrue. Selective lib memory strikes again.
Don’t just think about the position of president. Think about the thousands of appointments they make. It’s not voting for 1 position, it’s voting for an entire branch of government, potentially 2. Whatever you think about them, remember that it’s gonna be either Biden or Trump appointing all those positions, so even if you hate both of them equally, add up all the incredibly powerful positions they appoint and compare the sum of it all. It’s a compounding magnitude, so I cannot imagine how anyone can not have a preference when you are considering the full reach and impact that the 1 position has. Supreme court justices, federal judges, agency and department heads, countless secretaries, regulatory board heads, ambassadors and more and more, plus all the influence on positions those appointees have below them.
Biden ignores all his staffers telling him to stop supporting Genocide.
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Genocide Joe certainly isn’t trying to be a lesser evil anymore.
Linkerbaan, stop trying to make Genocide Joe happen! It’s not going to happen!
Try telling Genocide Joe to stop making Genocide happen.
Genocide Joe has been a thing for over 5 months not sure where you’ve been.
In the real world.
You should try it.
One of us is there already. The other one denies Genocide.
You live in a world of black and white, right and wrong that must be very comforting when things seem scary.
I understand that the world is actually shades of grey and very complicated.
Yeah, I’m sure Trump will help Gaza all day long if elected…
You have the choice between someone who doesn’t care enough and someone who doesn’t care at all. I’ll vote for the one who doesn’t care enough.
And then they love to pretend that there’s no other candidates 🤣
I definitely have a better opinion of people who vote for third party candidates than people who don’t vote at all. A major problem with our current elections is that it’s far more mud-slinging about the opposition than positivity. If the race becomes a little bit less two-party, candidates might start talking about their advantages, rather than deriding the opponents.
That said, it will still do nothing healthy for this election - it’s a long-term strategy, in a world where a bad president can do so much damage in the short term.
Thank you stranger! I completely agree. I can’t keep track of what I’ve said and what threads, but my whole basic idea is if you’re not in a swing state then vote third party. I completely agree it’s a long term strategy.
There aren’t.
You’ve clearly never heard of 3rd party candidates then! If you have heard of them, I want you to ask yourself why you feel compelled to so overly simplify a situation that you boil it down to a blatant lie.
They don’t matter in a first past the post election. They’re the functional equivalent of not voting, or voting for Mikey Mouse.
Did you ask yourself why you felt the need to lie before?
I didn’t lie. There’s no other candidates. You can write whatever name you want, but only either Joe Biden or Donald Trump will win.
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I believe Trump already made the comment to just glass Gaza.
Wouldn’t that mean the opposite then? Voters more likely to vote will vote Biden, so if the less likely to vote don’t vote that gives Biden an edge?
How to piss off everyone at LW, watch:
I am voting for neither. I’m going to match what I care about with a specific candidate, because I don’t like Trump or Biden. [/opinion]
Now I’ll just sit and wait for the “you idiot” comments and the vitriol geyser to blow. This should be entertaining to watch people think my vote’s going to make a difference in the electoral college.
Thanks for surrendering what little choice you have to me.
Cool, have fun picking between fascism and genocide.
So there’s this cool thing with math where you can factor out common values.
So if we have fascism+genocide vs notfascism+genocide, and we factor out the support for Israel, we get fascism vs nonfascism.
That’s still an important election, regardless of whether both sides support Israel.
That’s still an important election, regardless of whether both sides support Israel.
Sure, but consider what you’re saying here, if we cannot use our votes to effect change then what are you proposing people do?
Well, for one, vote for the only major party that MIGHT give a shit about Gaza or may be less gung-ho about supporting Israel, and for two, advocate in other ways. Organize protests, make calls to your representatives and senators, donate to charities that will assist the people of Gaza, etc.
Keep in mind, Donald Trump moved the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and doesn’t give a flying fuck about Gaza. He’s worse for Gaza than “Genocide Joe” is.
Organize protests
There have been protests about Biden sending arms to Israel. He continues to send arms to Israel. Politicians ignore protests.
make calls to your representatives and senators
People have called their representatives and senators objecting to sending arms to Israel. Arms continue to be sent to Israel.
Clearly neither of these have worked. What else have you got?
It’s like you’re expecting national policy to turn instantly based on protests. That’s now how the world works, unfortunately. Things take time.
It’s terrible, I’m not in any way trying to downplay the genocide that is happening. But Israel and the US have been firm allies for a long time. Change won’t come quickly. And it won’t come at all if Trump is elected.
I had difficulty parsing the article title. I thought it meant that not voting means you back trump (since this is a common narrative by democrat supporters), but actually it’s saying that people who vote less consistently support trump more.
I had difficulty parsing the article title.
That’s because it was deliberately written to be misleading. Don’t imply that that’s your fault, it’s a standard trash clickbait headline.
I tried to vote, but the DNC cancelled the Democratic primary in my state.
You have another vote coming up.
In any case, no they didn’t. The Democratic National Convention didn’t cancel any state primaries. Your state party did. Your local Democrats decided to not have a primary.
That’s not how it happened. Yeah, sure, it’s technically up to the state party, but it was at the request of the DNC. There is authority, and then there is soft power.
Getting to pick between two candidates chosen for me by oligarchs doesn’t seem like Democracy to me.
And now we’re into conspiracy theory territory.
That’s usually a clue that you’re wrong about something.
Public information bro. Conspiracies actually do happen BTW. We have a former president being charged with involvement in several of you haven’t been keeping up with the news
They do happen but they’re rare. That’s why they’re in the news.
Generally speaking, you should think “maybe I’m wrong” before you think “there’s a conspiracy”.
“National party exerts pressure on state party” is hardly a great plot for an X-files episode. And that’s assuming it took more than a polite phone call
It would honestly be harder to believe that a state party would exclude someone from the ballot without at least discussing it with the national party.
Still their decision. And the reasoning for their decision was not arbitrary. Some no-name candidate didn’t qualify in time. That’s not a conspiracy.
The less you campaign for electoral reform in your state, the more you support the republican party.
Switching away from first past the post voting allows people to vote for who represents them best while still counting their vote against those they dont want to win. Just search for videos on FPTP voting if you want an explanation on how and why the spoiler effect exists.
Electoral reform is possible in each individual state (for now), we dont need federal reform! Maine and Alaska have already passed electoral reform.
Republicans are moving to make alternative electoral systems illegal in their states. Why would you want to use the same voting system republicans prefer?
More political parties means a higher percentage of the population is representedby their choices in the voting booth. More people involved in the electoral process, more people engaged.
Its a win win win all around for not just the people, but also for the democratic party. More people voting means more democratic votes. The numbers dont lie. So what’s the hold up blue states?
You believe it’s critical to vote for the democrats to beat the Republicans, thus you should 100% be fully invested in passing electoral reform in your state.
Electoral reform needs to be the number one priority for every democrat. This is a existential threat to our nation, so we must use EVERY tool at our disposal. No more waiting. This especially goes for those in blue states.
Consider starting a campaign to change how we vote in your own state! Force our representatives to compete with fresh outside ideas. We deserve the best representation, not excuses.
Electoral reform needs to be the number one priority for every democrat.
Never going to happen.
Yeah, I’ve wanted instant runoff voting to be the system the US uses for decades, but it’s clear that it’s never going to realistically happen.
We can’t even get rid of the dumbass electoral college after all this time, lol.
This has been a recipe for a democratic win for a for decades. High turnouts favor democrats.
Well, this is a fun discussion!
…Anyways, I like to think that the title implies you’re supposed to vote more than once lol
It also implies that not voting for Trump somehow counts more than voting for Trump does
The more conservative BS you let the DNC get away with, the more you back Trump. Im not gonna vote for conservatives no matter how bad one of em is.
And elect Trump. Cool. Nice principles. Hope they keep you warm in the camps while you watch your family dragged away and killed. Or maybe it will be your neighbors and not your problem bc you’re not a target demographic. Yet. Thanks for your service hero. You’re affecting change with all your logic and practical action.
You’re electing Trump by not allowing any viable candidates to be considered
Who’s viable besides Trump and Biden?
entirely up to the voters to decide.
They did. Now it’s time for the general election, and those 2 are the choices.
When did they?
March 12.
There has never been a wider gap between the Democrats and the Republicans than there is right now.
I get it you want to prove your hardcore che guevara t-shirt socialist cred. But you want to be credible at all you gotta at least sometimes look at the facts.
what a chasm of a gap. Except for like, immigration now https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/28/senate-dems-asylum-ukraine-money-00128970
Perfect example. Trump says he wants to deport people that were born in the US (which obviously isn’t legal). Call in the military, shoot people attempting to cross the border. Texas is putting barbed wire on the border, the the Federal government (that’s Biden) is opposing it. They want the border completely shut down and people of certain ethnicity banned.
The Dems want additional judges to process asylum applications faster. Which is good for everyone. There are some bad things in the bill, but Biden doesn’t have to enforce them and the courts will likely overturn them like they did with Trump’s Muslim ban. Getting the additional judges and staff needed to deal with the backlog of asylum claims is super important and will lessen the hardship on immigrants seeking asylum.
So explain to me how trying to get asylum claims processed faster is exactly the same thing as Trump’s Muslim ban? Or building a wall? Or shooting people?
Its a federal border. That barbed wire is his barbed wire. This is his presidency, this is how he is running the border.
There are some bad things in the bill, but Biden doesn’t have to enforce them and the courts will likely overturn them like they did with Trump’s Muslim ban.
You do realize i have absolutely zero trust in Biden and this hinges on blind faith in Biden. Or at least youre arguing it does, i dont think Biden has any ability to control the bad things like fewer asylum approvals. Democrats, including Biden, have been using the same rhetoric as republicans, actively appealing to conservatives, assuring them they want a “stronger border”
Its a federal border. That barbed wire is his barbed wire.
You haven’t been following the news. The Texas Governor put the barbed wire there. The Supreme Court upheld that he was able to do so(because of course they did). Biden is trying to remove it.
Maybe try diversifying your news sources beyond TikTok.
You could literally put a half eaten turkey sandwich against Trump and I’d vote for the sandwich 100% of the time.
As an outsider, though neighbor in Canada, I can’t truely comprehend why Trump has the support he does. I sort of get it when looking at specifics (some people enjoy racism, others think he’d stir things up and create change) but the Evangelical support alone is baffling. I’m not religious but went to schools with religion as a subject (didn’t always focus on Christianity in the Anglican one but other one did) and the idea that anyone remotely Christian, or anyone that thinks they have religious values could vote for him makes me want to do the exorcist head spin and spew green pea soup. I didn’t think of that idea in a religious way just an absurd reaction to the situation but it sort of fits.
I’d definitely vote for the inanimate carbon rod over Trump, but the sandwich has merit too.
Historically, different Christian denominations used to rally behind the two political parties against each other, back when everyone was Christian. If I recall, if you had Catholics on one side, you’d usually find Protestants on the other. Of course this was also back when Republicans were the progressives, and Democrats were conservative.
Things are different now, but there is definitely still a more liberal contingent of Christians who are more in line with ‘separation of church and state’, and the more fundamentalist side whose schools have literally taught their children that it’s their Christian duty to vote for Trump.
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Trump isn’t racist. That’s a narrative the Left has been throwing around for years. He’s won numerous black awards, has had numerous black support, and only when he ran against Democrats was he labeled by the left as a “racist.”
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Religious people will always vote conservative, no matter who the candidate is. My Mexican family are very religious Catholics, and even they vote for Trump because they always feel that a Republican better protects their religious rights.
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The Democrat party is doing everything and anything to stop him from running, and this only makes his case stronger.
Trump literally took out newspaper ads calling for the execution of a group of African-American teens falsely accused of a crime. He refuses to apologize
Hard to see that as anything other than racist.
Trump has been part of the African American community for most of his life…and now, he’s all of a sudden a racist…come on…
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Meanwhile, there’s MILLIONS who are going to vote for him because everyone keeps telling them not too…I love how minorities are told that they’re “not good enough” to vote Republican.
I dont really understand the math behind it, can some one explain to me please ?
When you don’t vote you are voting for the guy who wins.
You hate trump but you hate the other guy too. You don’t vote. That’s one more vote not going against the guy who wins.
Say you have 100 people voting. 60 people decide not to vote. Out of the 40 people who vote 25 vote for guy A and 15 vote for guy B. Guy A wins majority even though only 25 people out of 100 voted for him. This means that guy A caters to the 25 people who voted for him and the 60 people who didn’t bother to vote get zero representation even though they’re the majority.
If the 60 people who didn’t vote decided “he’s not great but he’s better than guy A I will vote for guy B” guy B would win with 75 votes, an actual majority.
Sometimes it’s better to vote for the lesser of two evils and push the not great guy to do better than to just resign your fate to the worst guy and let the entire thing just burn.
That may be true and all but I take it you didn’t read the article, because that not what it was about.
They polled people and those who are regularly vote in past elections tend to be pro Biden, those whom hadn’t voted in recent elections tended to be pro Trump.
Which is ironic because if everyone just got out and voted we might just have a send Trump presidency on our hands. I could be wrong, but I suspect that’s the opposite of what you are thinking would happen.
need I remind you that Trump lost the popular vote and won? With 100% (99.99%…) then it likely wouldn’t have been so close. Trump won because of voter apathy towards HRC.
Also your comment doesn’t take into account voter suppression, disenfranchisement and gerrymandering- all of which are self evidently powerful by token of how common they are.
votes third party
Ironically, in that episode, voting third party was best because both candidates were monsters.
Today one is a monster and the other is the not a monster but still mostly represents monsters, but some people too.
I took some time to look at who the 2020 Biden voter are who are considering not voting for him.
While there are a growing number of such groups, one of the biggest is Muslims. They get that Trump is a racist and hates Muslims. They’re also currently watching Biden going out of his way to support Israel in their genocide. To them, Biden doesn’t just represent monsters, he is a monster. They’re logic is essentially, “We’re fucked either way. Let’s get rid of the monster in front of us and then we’ll worry about the next monster.”
It doesn’t matter if you or I agree with that. They’re not asking for permission to feel that way. If the Democratic leadership doesn’t address those concerns with significantly more empathy than, “don’t be stupid”, the likely outcome is that Biden will miss out on many of those votes.
Unfortunately Biden has been racking up voter groups that feel betrayed by him. My preference would have been for Biden to find some other Democratic candidate, retire gracefully and strongly back the new candidate.
It doesn’t matter if you or I agree with that.
I’d argue it matters a lot.
What’s the argument that it does?
Do you think that this disagreement is likely to change anyone’s mind?
Take a fairly famous example. Bassem Youssef has very publicly embraced the sentiment I’m describing. How does your agreement or disagreement have any impact at all?
I’d argue that it will only have an impact if you choose an action that’s likely to induce change. He very clearly says that he considers the threats that “If you don’t vote for Biden you’re voting for Trump,” messages to be a form of blackmail.
He finds it unconvincing so it fails to work on him. As near as I can tell, his attitude is fairly representative of a significant number of voters.
How does your agreement or disagreement have any impact at all?
This is a democracy. Potential voters are being influenced right now by the discussions we’re having.
I should clarify then.
There is currently some percentage of people who plan to vote for Biden, some that plan to vote for Trump and some who are undecided.
Most polling shows that, if there was an election today, Biden would lose pretty badly.
If you simply agree or disagree, is that likely to change anyone’s planned voting behavior? If you continue to insult the people who do not currently plan to vote for Biden, do you think that will change their minds?
so is the line now that even though the biden administrations policies are wildly unpopular there’s no reason to be worried or examine support held for the party because the turnout will make up the difference?
shoo!
You were probably taught in school that democracy is a wondrous ideal thing.
When you become an adult you realize democracy isn’t about voting for who you like the most. It’s about preventing bad people from getting power. You will never get to vote for some ideal perfect person, and even if you did the general muddiness of politics would prevent that person from being able to make the change they want.
Yes, it’s “the line” now. But to be more accurate, it’s always been the line.
Yes, it’s “the line” now. But to be more accurate, it’s always been the line.
You’re not wrong, but also, when one of the parties purposely manipulates your vote by using the premise that you described, because they have a bad candidate, then they’re no better than the other party that are the “bad guys”.
There are more than just two candidates available in the whole United States of America that could run for president.
There are more than just two candidates available in the whole United States of America that could run for president
Yeah and they either decided not to run or were eliminated in the primaries. Ideally I think a ranked choice system would be better than a primary system, but the primaries are a somewhat reasonable approximation, albeit an antiquated one.
The thing about democracy is the winner is the person that gets the most votes, not decided by solely your vote. And you can’t force people to run. Bernie Sanders ran in the 2020 primary and lost to Joe Biden. He decided not to run in this primary. You can be bitter about this, maybe come up with some conspiracy theories about the DNC somehow putting Bernie in duress to keep out of the race. Or do the same for anyone else you prefer.
But the fact is the imperfect run off system of the US electoral system determined it’s Biden vs. Trump again. You can be emotional about how you wanted something different, but it’s not going to change anything. You can be angry at other voters for not choosing different candidates. Still not going to change anything.
And Joe Biden is legit the best President of my lifetime. Not something you’ll hear from content decided by social media algorithms. He’s done a lot despite some bad actors in congress, and he could do more if there were just a few more Dem Senators and a majority in the House. Only criticism I really hear is from either republicans and kids that are ageist and/or learned about foreign policy from TikTok.
Uhh…
If you support Biden or hope that he’s elected this article should deeply disturb you.
Polls are looking bad recently and instead of having a party line of “we’re gonna change, we recognize that no one wants to suffer under rising inflation while their government supports a genocide.” They’re saying “it’s fine that the polls are bad, our supporters will come out and vote for us no matter what”.
I’m Canadian, and judging from history things tend to go badly for countries that neighbour fascist countries with a powerful military. So yeah I want Old Joe to continue to be President.
But I’m not too worried about polling, they were off in 2016 because they people considered unlikely voters actually did vote, and they voted for Trump. So the statisticians compensated for this and they were much closer to the mark in 2020, but still somewhat under-counted Trump support. So they have to compensate some more. But my gut feeling is that a siginificant of the unlikely voters that turned out for Trump in the past two elections probably won’t turn out for him again. But statistics is a scientific thing, they can’t just mark Trump supporters as unlikely voters again because of a gut feeling. They have to follow the process and do the math without any gut feelings about it.
So… the polls about support for Trump aren’t reliable at all. So no point in worrying about them one way or another.
The real concern right now is how young people are pushed into some strange politics by social media. The Olds are going to vote the way they always do, and there’s less of them with each passing day. The kids are getting sucked into accelerationist doomerism so who knows what will happen there. Constant emotional manipulation on social media can send people down some dark paths. I used to think the kids are alright, but I’m not so sure anymore.
That’s not what I’m talking about.
Media saying that it’s fine democrats are pursuing wildly unpopular policies because they have a durable support base is bad.
It doesn’t matter if it’s true (it’s not) or if that kind of thinking has been the norm in Washington forever (it has).
You never want to treat voters like they don’t have a choice, even if you believe it.
This is how they turn a huge swath of potential electorate into “Biden, hell no” people, just like me.
I want to repeat this as much as possible because I think it’s incredibly important. When you vote for a president, you are not voting for one person, you are voting for thousands. You are voting for an entire branch of government, possibly 2. The president appoints an insane amount of positions, so when you vote for the one person you need to also think about all the other positions they will be nominating people for. Hundreds of federal judges, hundreds of secretaries, dozens of heads of departments and agencies, hundreds of ambassadors, and most importantly, potentially lifetime appointments of Supreme court judges, which can flip an entire other branch of government. There are also tons of lower level positions on top of those, and if that’s not enough already, many of these appointments span multiple presidencies, so you’re not just voting for the next 4 years, but potentially long after that.
So when you’re looking at the ballot, do not think about the names on the paper, think about the thousands of incredibly important, powerful, and influential roles that they will fill. As powerful as the president is, when you add up all those other positions, they are even more important than the one position of president.
so does this include the US dissidents not allowed to vote legally?
fuck that
politicians like Biden crafted and wrote laws over the years that culminated in mine and others votes being taken away
not our fault people keep voting Demopublicans in
we need to get rid of both these corporate bought parties
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