US poll finds 60 percent of Gen Z voters back Hamas over Israel in Gaza war
US poll finds 60 percent of Gen Z voters back Hamas over Israel in Gaza war
not a war
back Hamas over Israel
Even here, the setup is false. Anyone remotely affiliated with Hamas is little more than a blood smear on the pavement in Gaza at this point. Israelis are torturing general surgeons to death and calling them Hamas. They're butchering babies and calling them Hamas. They're gunning down European photojournalists and calling them Hamas.
There is no "Hamas" left to support. It's just the stamp Israel puts on the body bag.
I think Hamas is bigger than ever, Israel has given the doubters 18,000 reasons to join Hamas
The sheer barbarity of Israel is incredible. What is even more incredible is how this is actively fucking over western democracy. Israel is willing to throw down every single freedom in the West (from electoral freedom, to freedom speech, to privacy rights... everything) just so they have a few more settlements built on the graves of people they want dead.
The entire war on terror is Israel's fault. I am going to say it. Modern Islamic fundamentalism is a product of the Cold War, but almost every form of modern international terrorism has its roots in Israeli action and the blowback to that.
Israel is willing to throw down every single freedom in the West (from electoral freedom, to freedom speech, to privacy rights… everything) just so they have a few more settlements
It's much more than settlements. It's a Holy War in the very medieval sense. Israelis genuinely really desperately want to rebuild the Third Temple. So much of this Holocaust is rooted in a primevil desire to complete a ritual slaughter of a bull in a magic building that was destroyed thousands of years ago.
BS, Islamic Religious fundamentalism is not the fault of Jewish Zionism, it is the means for bolstering Authoritarianism over Democracy, Dogma over Human Rights, Corruption over Workers Rights.
Anyone remotely affiliated with Hamas is little more than a blood smear on the pavement in Gaza at this point
Imagine if this isn't true. It'd mean Israel managed to bomb literally everything except Hamas.
I wonder ho many of their own hostages israel killed.
I think they just bombed everything hoping it would do a little collateral to Hamas
What the hell kind of apples and oranges headline is that. Israel is a country. Hamas is a political party, not the same as Palestine or Palestinians.
I'd go with terrorist state personally.
It is sad that nuance is lost in this conflict. If you condemn Israeli action on Palestinians, you are accused as anti-Semite. If you condemn the October 7 attack, you are accused of being Zionist and supporting the genocide on Palestinians.
There isn't ironic bothside-ism on this. Literally both sides are actually at fault. Majority of Israelis back driving the Palestinians out of West Bank and Gaza, and majority of Palestinians want Israel as a country to be destroyed. If anyone have watched or read Attack on Titan TV series or manga, this is a major theme in the story of intergenerational conflict. Two state solution is the only way for the conflict to end, and it isn't like there was no precedence to lay down arms and live in coexistence (see how the conflict in Northern Ireland ended when both opposing sides agreed that enough is enough). But there is too much bad blood between Israelis and Palestinians to call quits any time soon.
Palestine just want to end occupation. Stop with equating the oppressed with the oppressor
If you condemn the October 7 attack, you are accused of being Zionist and supporting the genocide on Palestinians.
I haven't seen this. Most honest anti-Zionists I've seen online have been very clear in their denunciation of Oct 7.
It's more like, "if you don't constantly bring up the horrible attack from several years ago and make sure everyone knows you condemn it, then that means you're anti-Semitic."
I look forward to being called an Anti Semite, being a Jew who's been to Israel twice, and watched my sister get Bat Mitzvah'd on a synagogue roof near the Wailing Wall, and was active in my temple youth group until I graduated High School.
Polls are a great way to get the answers you want. I don't know what the pollsters wanted, but to me the question in question is skewed, because one is a state while the other is an organisation.
“In the Israel-Hamas conflict, do you support more Israel or more Hamas?”
So my answer would've been "I support Palestinians in their struggle to have their own country again over Israel which is clearly on an aggressively expansionist rampage."
Since that isn't an option I can refuse to answer the stupid poll, or say I support Hamas.
Shouldn't we explain the nature & history of the struggle instead?
edit: obvious pro/contra Hamas discussion ensues. But IMO it's moot - at least for the foreseeable future - because Israel is so obviously the much bigger monster here, and has been for a long while, and because denying a nation the right to exist simply is not acceptable.
While you're not wrong, I think framing it as "israel-hamas" rather than "israel-palestine" is the least favourable framing available (for a supporter of Palestine) without resorting to really obvious leading questions.
As such, seeing a majority opinion against Israel is encouraging. I'd expect a more nuanced survey to swing more heavily against Israel
Hamas are just a group of men whos families were blown up by the IDF. not saying their actions after are not evil but I understand their mindset. If the world has condemned you and your people to death simply for existing, what other options do they have?
I get that 100%. I have said it about MAGAs in America. I have people very close to me who are members of vulnerable groups that MAGA is targeting. If ANYTHING was to happen to them, I would become very dangerous indeed. That's a bright red line for me.
They´re also just a group of men who´ve blown up other families to stop the Oslo Accords
Exactly. I don't care if Hamas is wiped out, they're objectively awful, it's the Palestinians getting killed in the crossfire that's the issue.
Of course, they aren't really getting caught in the crossfire, they are the targets. Israel is just using Hamas as an excuse to throw bombs around residential areas, hospitals, and schools.
TL;DR the question they asked 2000 kids was “In the Israel-Hamas conflict, do you support more Israel or more Hamas?”
I am American jew. I recently replied to an email from my old synagogue about volunteering in Israel, explaining I have no desire to aid Israel with their Nazi Stockholm manic episode, but to have fun working on the new Holocaust.
Although this question is framed in the shittiest way possible, I would still support Hamas over the IDF because only one of these organizations are guilty of genocide.
Easiest call I've ever made.
Israel managed to figure out to turn a vicious terrorist group into the good guys.
Turns out when people break out of a literal concentration camp to fight back against their oppressor they're freedom fighters terrorists
Hamas terrorism is a direct consequence of 77 years of oppression
That's the main pitfall of this topic. There doesn't have to be a "good guy" in every conflict. Killing over 1000 Israelis on October 7th, mostly civilians, was unjustified as is keeping the remaining hostages (it's clearly not restraining the IDF). Likewise blocking aid, destroying hospitals, and targeting journalists is completely unjustified. If you ask me who's trying their best to do what's right for their people I would say Hamas.
Wtf is wrong with the other 40%?
I think there's a lot of people who don't like Israel or Hamas. It's complicated by the fact Hamas is more like a political party than a nation. If it was Israel vs Palestine I think more people would support Palestine.
Those guys would have supported slave owners when Nat turner murdered somw kids during his revolt
Clearly the decades of Israeli/US propaganda against Hamas has been falling down. Truthfully, I'm pretty happy with the 60%, and expect more people will continue to open their eyes.
They don't share your opinion, evidently
When people think higher of a volte terrorist organization than a legitimate government, it might be time to put some politicians of said government against a wall. Maybe all of em.
That’s because Israel is treating it as such. They are treating Palestine and Hamas equally by killing both. If the question was rephrased as do you support Hamas or Palestine the vast majority would side with Palestine. Most people don’t know the difference between the 2.
The same poll also found RFK Jr had the highest positive approval rating — in fact the only major national leader with net positive rating. So I have serious doubts about the accuracy of the polling.
Its not just gen z.
Not that I trust polls and people's intentions when they do polls but the comparison does actually make sense since Israeli state is by far the greatest terrorist organization of the last couple decades.
Top bad they don't live in a democracy lmao
Well, yeah.
For what it’s worth, I wholeheartedly support Hamas as a resistance movement against Zionist occupation of Palestine.
I welcome any bombing on Tel Aviv. I truly hope there will be more and Palestine can be liberated by this sickness.
Let's send them some weapons while we are at it.
In the lesser of two evils they choose Hamas, which I find insane. I can certainly understand being very against and hating Isreal, but to me Hamas are literal demon scum cockroaches. I have a higher opinion of the Russian military than I do Hamas. And support of Ukraine is something I feel incredibly strongly about.
I think this is a minority opinion here though.
Hamas is a product of Israeli occupation. The IDF is a product of Israeli national identity.
If it wouldn't be Hamas, it would be a different violent organization, like before PFLP, PLO, etc. When people are brutally oppressed, it leads to violent resistance, that often will not limit itself to military targets.
The baby killers who brag about it are not literal demon scum cockroaches, the resistance group is?
How israel doing what hamas did for 77 years and doing s genocide right now, the lesser of the two evil? Stop doing genocide and occupation apologism
You're a brainwashed idiot who encouraged people to vote for genociders
https://lemmy.world/post/21907472/13403927
Congrats you have blood on your hands
60 percent is also the portion of Gen-Z that chose not to vote in the last US election. If you don't vote, you don't count!
@Saleh This is a drawing of the Great Mufti of Jerusalem #AminalHusseini wearing a #Kufiya meeting Hitler on November, 28 1942 in Berlin.
The survey did not ask participants whether they support Palestinians more broadly, despite Israeli leaders repeatedly framing their war as being against all Palestinians, not only Hamas.
@Saleh Reads like nonsense, sorry.
They spent so long equating criticism of Israel with being pro-Hamas that they accidentally made the kids pro-Hamas.
Or pro-hamas was the only other option in the survey.