The 2A keeps the government afraid of it's citizens.
The 2A keeps the government afraid of it's citizens.
The 2A keeps the government afraid of it's citizens.
Your lowest government officials are allowed to kill you if they think you have a gun.
or if they are willing to insist that they thought so, and testify to it in court.
testi-lie*
that's their term
Not an American here but doesn't the 2A imply that there is no centralized US army? That's the whole idea, have an armed militia instead of military or a police force
Yes, that's correct. A standing army in peacetime was not only something that the founders feared, they explicitly put a two year cap on the appropriations needed to fund it. Obviously that's been ignored since before the ink dried.
I am an American "person of color" who owns firearms (at home; I live in the Netherlands currently).
Here's the exact verbiage of the 2nd Amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Interpret that as thou wilt; we've been arguing about it since about 1791.
For what it's worth, I'd amend the amendment to include this snippet from Marx, just to confuse us all even more:
Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
The second amendment was written because Patrick Henry was scared of slave rebellions. He was trying to drrail the ratification of the constitution. The argument was that if the federal army was away then nobody would be around to save the slave owners from their deserved fate. Thus Madison creates the second amendment to ensure states have the right to have local militias. The whole idea is for state militias to be in addition to the federal army.
Nope. That’s not what it meant and that’s not what the courts have determined that it meant.
What’s more, my state constitution explicitly grants gun ownership for self defense while simultaneously and explicitly banning membership in any private militia.
So no militia for me. Nice try though.
I think it was more that if both the populace and the military have muskets it’d be hard to oppress the populace through force. Doesn’t really hold up though when the populace has small arms and the military can press a button and delete your city block.
That strategy played out so well in the middle east /s
US citizens have always had equal or better weapons than our infantry.
I don't know this guy, and I hate the title, but he's on point with his facts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dIsy3sZI2Y
In any case, there has been precious few incidents where the local or federal forces went balls out on us. Yeah, I can name a few, I get it, grew up in Tulsa, I get it, but they're not busting down our doors and putting us on trains because we are armed.
There's a Navy base in my backyard, they train helicopter pilots. Think those men and women will STFU, follow orders and drop on their neighbors? I'd like to think better of them.
If I'm wrong? I am armed as well as they are.
That was the idea but these federalists man, they keep giving power to the central government and then complain about dictatorship, autocracy and other centralized government problems.
We need more green plumbers.
You realize that the public works inspectors and school teachers and sanitation workers and waste water reclamation engineers none of whom carry weapons and keep shit running so you can shitpost? They all government officials and they ain't empowered to kill nobody.
Those people aren't the lowest except in pay. Those people are the engineers, the teachers, and the administrators. They execute actual functions that directly benefit society. These are the people that prevent crime through their support of the community. It's like calling the foundation of a building the lowest function of a building. That may be true on the surface, but the metaphor quickly breaks down.
There is another lowest of the low in government that does little in the way of support, unless you're one of the elite. The lowest rung of the government ladder are the people whose job it is to punitively punish people for breaking the laws. They do not prevent any crimes, and the courts have ruled that they are shielded from any responsibility in that regard. They protect inequity between the rich and the poor. They are trained to discriminate and profile. Their very fraternity is rooted in tribal exclusion, us vs. them. They even desecrate the national flag as a symbol of that fraternity. Sometimes that insult even gets worn as part of their official uniform. They restrict and opress rights granted by the law at the whim of politics and oligarchs. They are licensed to murder, with immunity from responsibility. They are encouraged to remain ignorant of the laws that they are tasked with enforcing and they wear that ignorance as a legal shield against consequence and accountability. And yet these gangs of murderous thugs are routinely paid better than any of the others. They are called heroes when they do the bare minimum. They are applauded for showing the bare minimum of humanity.
If this government were a family with the state and federal administration as the parents, then the teachers/engineers/administrators would be the older siblings, aunts, and uncles. The police would rule that house through fear like a toddler on a sugar high with a gun. Occasionally that toddler may shit itself, steal from the cookie jar, or murder a loved one. But all is quickly forgiven because after all they are a only toddler.
they're not officials
Problem with gun ownership, is that the oligarchs have created two parties to distract us: the far-right party to tell racist white people to get armed and that minorities are the enemy, and the center-right party telling the people who are left-of-center that only bad people get guns and brainwashing them to voluntarily disarm, and even making laws restricting guns (but guess what, gun control laws only apply where most minorities live, aint that convienient 🧐)
So here we are, people center to center left are disarmed while the nazis be roaming around with guns.
Do not fall for the center-right party's propaganda. Armed minorities are harder to oppress.
"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." -Karl Marx
(And if you disagree with guns: Gun debate in the US happened in 1789, now its far too late.)
Tyranny of the majority. The government sees the people as tyrannical. Working as designed.
It helps if a whole section of the political mass, the one that supposedly wants to protect minorities, didn't swear off guns.
"swear off" vs "wanting the most basic of testing so mentally unstable people don't get to browse their local shops like a kid in a candy store"
You: "they are the same picture"
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allow me to offer a little something unhinged to this old and tired discussion. feel free to disregard it. Just trying it out to see if it makes anyone feel any certain way.
The existence of mentally unstable people should be a motivation to make a society that doesn't prey on them or make them idealize being active shooters. The existence of mentally unstable people shouldn't be a preface to talk about which rights and autonomy is okay to take away from people.
That's so much a strawman it's not even worth the time I spent to read it.
If they didn't take arms when Alabama banned abortion and Tump started locking kids up in cages it is when I completely lost faith in their shit.