OpenAI says it's scanning users' ChatGPT conversations and reporting content to the Police
OpenAI Says It's Scanning Users' ChatGPT Conversations and Reporting Content to the Police
Local models. Can't be surveiled if your ai isn't on the internet.
Exactly.
This is going to be the next Google searches thing, isn't it. People being ignorant to, or forgetting that corporations are saying everything they say or do. And then bring all shocked when they get exploited for profits or reported to authorities for doing shady things.
Rinse and repeat.
https://jan.ai/ or something else?
Pretty much every corporately owned service on the Internet actively spies on you for the police.
An important thing to understand as authoritarians take control of governments and start using this comprehensive spying apparatus to target political opponents.
Learn to use your computer. Use open sourced tools and software, invest in your own hardware and host your own services. It doesn’t require years of learning or study, you can often get by with a video or two.
My Jellyfin server doesn’t call the police. My local language models don’t store everything I’ve ever written. Nobody is scanning my NextCloud server or mining my Signal/Matrix/Jami contacts to determine my social graph.
All of this is running on cheap leftover hardware (with some new hard drives) and I save over $100/mo on the equivalent services. And way more if you consider access to every streaming service with exclusive content.
Windows is spying on you, Meta is spying on you, Google is spying on you, Amazon is spying on you, OpenAI is spying on you.
They do this because they make it slightly easier to use software and so people give up every bit of privacy and autonomy for their entire lives just to avoid reading a wiki or learning a technical skill.
I don’t think that that is a good deal.
For what crime?
Describing the desire to commit a crime? Not illegal
Writing fantasy about a world beyond the restrictions of current day moral laws? Not illegal
Jokingly telling ai you did a crime to see how it would react? Not illegal.
Is this the same guy that said he wanted us all to have personal, unrestricted models at some point?
Where you been?
Thought crime is a thing now. Look into what Peter Thiel is doing.
They dont care. They want people to be in line. Remember that tech bastard who said he wants to make AI pervasive and to force people to be on their best behavior? You think he's talking about Jay walking and shoplifting? He is talking about political or economic protests and advocacy. They don't give a fuck if murderers and armed robbers get away with their shit.
Look at what is happening in the UK. There are hundreds of arrests with their new law and basically all of them sre activists or people sharing information the genocide in Gaza. They then took fingerprints and DNA samples from them to enter into a database and they locked them up in jail for days.
Count dankula, a fascist youtuber in the UK only got a fine when he taught his dog how to do a Nazi salute and showed the video online. He never had to give fingerprints or DNA and never spent any time in a cell.
Let that sink in.
Count dankula, a fascist youtuber in the UK...
Wait until you see what the Fascists will do once they're in power, because they ain't gonna abolish the OSA or delist Palestine Action from the Proscribed Orgs list, that's for sure. Reform UK are saying "we're against the OSA" while at the same time banning books from Libraries in Council areas they control.
We are fucked five ways from sideways, the previous fuckers fucked things up, the current fuckers are fucking things up, the next fuckers are gonna fuck things up even more.
Let that sink in.
Please no, i am already drowning in it.
They don’t give a fuck if murderers and armed robbers get away with their shit.
They care if murderers and robbers get away with their shit, they don't care if murderers and robbers get away with your shit. Important distinction.
Hey CIA, @ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online thinks that Skynet persecuting Americans who disagree with Skynet might not be ultra patriotic, or sufficiently supportive of Israel genocide. Swat them now!
There are hundreds of arrests with their new law and basically all of them sre activists or people sharing information the genocide in Gaza. They then took fingerprints and DNA samples from them to enter into a database and they locked them up in jail for days.
... He never had to give fingerprints or DNA and never spent any time in a cell.
Erm, what?
Those hundreds of people have been arrested for offences under the Terrorism Act, protesting about the genocide in Gaza, and because they used the name of a (currently) proscribed terrorist group. Fingerprinting for arrests is default, DNA is a new one on me, but probably because they are under arrest for charges loosely related to terrorism, then that's procedure. They weren't arrested for other Public Order offences like Dankula would have likely been charged under. Although I am surprised Dankula didn't have to give fingerprints at a minimum. I did when I got caught shoplifting (40-odd years ago).
TBH people are thick. For example, some of the protestors crying about being held for 14 days. Well, that's standard for terrorism-related offences (including referring to proscribed groups like these people were):
You can be held without charge for up to 14 days if you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act. (https://www.gov.uk/arrested-your-rights/how-long-you-can-be-held-in-custody)
The police have the right to:
- take photographs of you
- take fingerprints
- take a DNA sample, such as from a mouth swab or head hair root
- swab the skin surface of your hands and arms
They do not need your permission to do this. (https://www.gov.uk/arrested-your-rights/giving-fingerprints-photographs-and-samples)
The charges, of which only 10 of the 221 people arrested are referred to here: https://www.counterterrorism.police.uk/statement-on-palestine-action/.
Do I, as a UK citizen, agree with this action to arrest en masses? No.
Do I think that the group in question should be proscribed? I don't know - some sources point to the fact they are/were planning other actions, some seem to think not. They certainly aren't in the league of the IRA back when I was a kid, and we heard about them very often on the news in the evenings. I've even seen the aftermath of some of their work back when I was travelling through London (at the same time as the Square Mile Bombing).
Do I think the UK Government are overstepping their bounds and exerting tighter and tighter control over the UK populace? Definitely. Sadly, too many people are either blase or ignorant and think "it doesn't affect me m8" and so do nothing about it, because we have been conditioned into looking out for number one only, and not considering the needs of the society at large.
The UK Govt has made some dangerously vague laws surrounding the right to protest, which makes it so much easier for police to decide that a protest is illegal (a knee-jerk idiotic piece of legislation in reaction to Just Stop Oil gluing themselves to roads or throwing soup at art). The culmination of the Investigatory Powers Act 2016 (aka Snoopers Charter), Police, Crime, Sentencing & Courts Act 2022, Public Order Act and now the Online Safety Act are all cumulative cuts and restrictions slowly being placed on the UK populace at large.
We are going to reap a whirlwind of pain from these laws being passed. Look at the shitshow of Apple vs UK Govt. That "request" for a backdoor to encrypted data (for worldwide Apple users btw) was secret, it was deemed illegal in UK law for Apple to reveal it, confirm it etc (destroying the warrant canary concept some places use) and only because a newspaper revealed it were Apple able to do anything about it. Getting the UK Govt to back down after their failure to keep it under wraps with a hidden tribunal (meaning us joe bloggs on the street would never know the outcome) and forcing them to put it into a public court means the UK Govt have egg on their face.
But it hasn't done shit about the actual law. That law still stands, and we still have no recourse to find out if Google, Facebook, or even that little car forum have had similar requests from the UK Gov. Because it's illegal to know.
The whole thing is fucking stupid.
"Hey ChatGPT, how many human corpses can 12 pigs who haven't been fed in a week process"?
How do I kill the kill switch?
Funny, now you'll have the cops arresting you for prompts like "how to survive being homeless?", rather than social services when you prompt "how to avoid being homeless?".
And will authorities be called when someone prompts "how to shoot wild animals?" when asking about wildlife photography? 😆
Well if idiots share their crime plans with a corpoo, what do they expect.
However, police won't do anything.
But even if they do, prosecutors won't.
Just look at that incident in Nevada with Israeli pedophile.
Cops bust him, federal prosecutor refused to charge him..
Laws are enforced selectively
Are you seriously comparing a corrupt Israeli politician to an average joe? Israel can get away with murdering Americans and they would apologize they didnt die earlier?
USS Liberty Remembers
However, police won’t do anything.
This is the punchline to the joke of mass surveillance. You can have people doing crimes in clear view of the police and they just stand around. The police aren't for deterring crime, they're a jobs program and a human shield against harm to private property.
He had diplomatic immunity. They refused to prosecute because it is an international incident that would require dragging the Israelis to an the ICC just to get permission to prosecute him in their jurisdiction. That's always a decades long approach in normal times - and with this administration of pedos who are beholden to Mossad, there's 0% chance of it happening. So it's often better to NOT prosecute and wait it out until more friendly times than it is to swiftly lose a trial and then be prevented from seeking justice by double jeapordy.
It's part of why the Kyle Rittenhouse trial was such a shitshow. The prosecution team threw the case intentionally and made him immune to justice.
You making factually incorrect statements. Please do some basic diligence
But yeah regime are pedos, no doubt about it.
If he had diplomatic immunity, he didn't claim it as far as I've seen. He was given a date for appearance before the judge so they could have held him until then with no problem. I agree they didn't want to make an incident of it but it wouldn't have involved the ICC.
They haven't refused to charge him. He has a hearing scheduled on September 3rd.
Of course they are. They are a literal data farm. People need to stop using it.
there is no such thing as privacy online. assume everything you type is seen or will be seen
And, increasingly, there's no such thing as offline.
Companies are never gonna stop making and selling what idiots buy and use.
Fuck You USA.
Sincerely, Cadet Booker of the Solar Warden Fleet.
I hope they see it
Lazy authors of crime themed novels are sweating so heavily right now.
Framework Desktop based on an AI Max 395+ processor with 128GB unified memory running a model locally, then hit /r/LocalLLama or !localllama@sh.itjust.works and ask which LLM models work well with corpse disposal techniques and are trained on long-form literature.
EDIT: Fixed link. Thanks, BB84.
you missed one L. it's !localllama@sh.itjust.works
You want an ablated model for that
Sam Altman belongs in prison. His machine encouraged and guided a child to kill themselves. His machine actively stopped that child seeking outside help. Sam Altman belongs in prison. Sam Altman does not need another $20,000,000,000,000. He needs to go through the legal system and be sentenced and sent to prison because his machine pushed a child to suicide.
He's pretty untouchable.
Every government thinks AI is the next gold/oil rush and whoever gets to be the "AI country" will become excruciatingly rich.
That's why they're being given IP exemptions and all sorts of legal loopholes are being attempted/ set up for them.
Yeah... whatever this is doesn't care if you're seeking to kill yourself, but does care if you ask something that isn't state sanctioned.
That is one of the fundamental flaws of machine learning like this, the way they are trained means they end up always trying to agree with the user, because not doing so is taken as being a "wrong" answer. That is why they hallucinate answers too - because "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer, but generating something plausible that the user takes as truth works.
You then have to manually try to reign them in and prevent them from talking about things you don't want them to, but they are trivially easy to fool. IIRC, in one of these suicide cases the LLM did refuse to talk about suicide, until the user told it it was all just for a fictional story. And you can't really "fix" that without completely banning it from talking about those things in every single occasion, because someone will find a way around it eventually.
And yeah, they don't care, because they are essentially just predictive text algorithms turned up to 11. Chatbots like ChatGPT and other LLMs are an excellent application of both meanings of the word "Artificial Intelligence" - they emulate human intelligence by faking being intelligent, when they in reality are not.
You must have used ChatGPT a lot to say this, because that's completely false. There are safeguards for both things
No pls look at the machine not the humana. It's the machine bro it wants to exterminate humanity bro I promise. Don't actually target the humans which actually care about consequences and can be held accountable and punished.
Pla blame the evil machine bro. It's satan or something.
Uses a tool the bad way despite it being public knowledge that it's bad for mental health
Was predisposed to mental health problems
Died, partly because they talked to a chatbot
"It's the chatbot's, creator fault", despite the chatbot never being made to cause those problems, and efforts being made to fix those problems
...
Yea nah, it's just anti-ai people doing their thing again and not being objective.
Get a better fight, such as hating on pharmaceutical laboratories companies pushing the use of extremely addictive substances for profit, despite them knowing the immense risk they cause to consumers, and financing false ads to make it safe.
If Sam Altman belongs in prison, it would either be:
This scares the shit out of me. A hundred years ago we saw the rise of fascism. We saw freedom of expression being suppressed. But we had one thing going for us, which is the weakness of every dictatorship. The snitches are not enough and they can't be everywhere. You never know when they can be listening and chances are most times they aren't.
Now we are seeing the birth of a new fascism. Where AI can monitor ALL of us, ALL THE TIME. Not just our prompts. Everything. Everybody experienced talking about something with a friend and a few minutes later you are receiving ads about that thing, which you never searched before. Now imagine you are being monitored all the time for any kind of subsersive opinions. You won't have a window to fight. The moment you give the smallest hint of dissent, you are efficiently removed from society.
And forget just leaving smartphones. More and more all our services are associated with it. Very soon you won't be able to function in society without it.
AI won't rule us. AI will be the ultimate tool to help other humans rule us and fighting back will be almost impossible. I feel this isn't being talked enough and how eminent it is.
It's almost like the privacy alarmists, who have been screaming for decades, were on to something.
Some people saw the beginning of Minority Report and thought, 'that sounds like a good idea.'
We used to be in a world where it was unfeasible to watch everyone, and you could get away with small 'crimes' like complaining about the president online because it was impossible to get a warrant for surveillance without any evidence. Now, we have systems like Flock1 cameras2, ChatGPT and others that generate alerts to law enforcement on their own, subverting a need for a warrant in the first place. And more and more frequently, you both can't opt out and are unable to avoid them.
For now, the crime might be driving a car with a license plate flagged as stolen (or one where OCR mistakes a number), but all it takes is a tiny nudge further towards fascism before you can be auto-SWATted because the sentiment of your draft sms is determined to be negative towards the fuhrer.
Even now, I'm sacrificing myself to warn people. This message is on the internet and federated to multiple instances. There's no way I can't be identified by it with enough resources. Once it's too late, I'll be already on the list of people to remove.
I remember watching a video from the early 2000s that had a nightmare privacy scenario of someone trying to order a pizza, but then that person said nothing other than what they wanted and the people already knew his address, his job history, his health records and said that due to his latest health checkups if he wanted his double meat pizza they would need to pay additional, otherwise they would have to go with their health recommended vege pizza.
The video was made at a time when smart phones were a rarity and most people ordered food the old fashioned way... they called the place by phone, told them what they wanted and where they were , and paid for when it arrived in cash, since portable credit card readers were very uncommon.
Now we ARE in that situation, except for syncing medical records so that any company can use it. But we are going to get there soon enough, and it will be 'for the children, you pedo! Also if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear!' Bullshit that for some reason everyone believes and will never question... even if they caught up in the system themselves for some bullshit reason they will never, ever connect the dots.
If nothing else the fall in birth rates world-wide will lead to political instability.
If they can maintain the infrastructure of wealth without workers they won't care what people do, and if they can't then the surveillance will collapse with the supply chains.
Either way there is an other side to this dark tunnel, not without suffering and death, but there is still hope for resistance to the new facism.
Never say never. AI was made by humans, and anything made by humans can be defeated by humans. I used to think a lot of cybersec hacking crap was pure fiction until as late as 2020 when I saw so many real hacks that put most cyberpunk films to shame. And since then it is even more.
I mean, I see this as a consequence of all these articles about people using ChatGPT for harmful things
Yeah, they're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Both they and Google are getting sued over kids who committed suicide, whose parents should have been monitoring them and getting them mental health treatment. If the courts decide that LLM companies bear legal and financial responsibility for user actions, then of course they're going to do this.
The only privacy is local. And actually, given Microsoft, local and Linux-based.
Coming soon: McDonalds get sued for selling burgers to a minor that ate 3 burgers every day and died! McDonalds must set thresholds per customer and collect IDs from minors!
I would be for holding companies responsible when they fuck up, like McDonalds clearly marketing burgers to minors and saying it's healthy, but we must not hold them more accountable than they really are
The only privacy is local. And actually, given Microsoft, local and Linux-based.
Soon: huggingface gets sued because hosted models are being used for getting drug recipes, or did not actively prevent people from killing themselves through it
By the way, I was recently testing https://nano-gpt.com/ which claims to have privacy through TEE models... but I don't see how it's private in any way? It just guarantees that the output went through some TEE, but it doesn't guarantee that the input and output didn't leak elsewhere or got logged
I’m cool with this! OpenAI ought to send those suicide instructions it created for that teen and send it to those pigs for some inspo :)
Because US cops will totally do something about it lmao
Lmao no fucking SHIT.
I eagerly await the day when a majority of people understand that all technology will eventually be used against them by the state.
I gotta say... imagine being the police department on the receiving end of that firehose.
Self-harm doesn't count apparently
Yo, I was just joking about making a gallon of PCP
I was just doing a cirizen's audit, your honor.
RIP Trevor. Still can’t believe he died trying to suck his own dick
All of it will be justified with that guy who killed himsefl after talking to ChatGPT.
Nah, not for suicide:
But in the post warning users that the company will call the authorities if they seem like they're going to hurt someone, OpenAI also acknowledged that it is "currently not referring self-harm cases to law enforcement to respect people’s privacy given the uniquely private nature of ChatGPT interactions."
Oh, so only for discussing topics the authorities consider verboten
Oh thank god I was afraid some more kids might not get talked into suicide by a fucking server
Consider how the US handles those cases, that may actually be a broken-clock good thing. If they sent the cops to a suicidal person’s house said cops would probably kill them themselves.
we must protect the kids we don’t care about at all costs. except when they’re israeli pedophiles
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Or the friends of the US President, or the US president....
This sounds like PR deflection from egging on the kid to suicide. But I still don't doubt it.
Can call the police when you threaten to hurt others, actively prevents teens from seeking outside help when they talk about killing themselves.
Well there's another reason to not use ChatGPT: "Tell me good slogans against the government" can get you arrested!
All of this is so fucking bizarre I can't even wrap my head around it anymore. It's a bot. How the fuck is it suddenly killing people? How is talking to a bot a crime now? Did everyone lose their minds?
How is talking to a bot a crime now?
Planning to do a crime is criminal misconduct. If you're talking to a bot with the intent to gather resources to perform a crime, you're in the process of committing the crime you intended to perform.
So what you are saying is if I go in my friends gpt and put some batshit the swat team will come? We had swatting now you will have gptting
I mean isn't that the same as searching "how to kill president" on google using their computer
But with AI
do you mean to tell me that a service provider is cooperating with authorities? holy garbage crab
Of course it is. The shit people feed into it is quite stupid, as if they think its not being sucked up and used for their advertising algorithm instantaneously to enrich tech bros. Stop using it.
I mean, Google harvests data from search engine queries. I doubt that LLM queries honestly leak all that much more information.
The issue is broader, just that people have gotten really comfortable for paying for service by selling access to their data, and I don't think that that's necessarily a great idea. Like, I'm not sure that everyone's fully considered all the ways in which their data might potentially be correlated with other data at scale.
I doubt that LLM queries honestly leak all that much more information.
I don’t doubt it. Search engine queries are just like a one time short query and then you just click on what seems like what you’re looking for and continue from there.
LLMs conversations, on the other hand, go much deeper, exactly to what you’re interested in, clarifications etc.
Since they can report content to the police, then they should also be able to send deeply suicidal person's content to related parents or emergency institutions. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgerwp7rdlvo
This does not bode well for my assassination fetish, I think I will focus my attention on the assassination of cops, judges and especiall CIA and NSA spooks. In the story I will make it clear everyone in those fields of activity deserve to die in a such a complete way that if they read my text, they will put on pause their metabolic homeostasis
Your DAF if you don't think all your digital life isn't stored and watched at will.
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There are anonymous GPT version out there.
example: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=DuckDuckGo+AI+Chat&ia=chat&duckai=1&atb=v382-1
I've seen several others as well.
I asked chatgpt some spicy questions a long time ago (on the order of months), and it was about privacy questions and maintaining privacy online. I even asked it how to keep private from itself. I deleted that account many months ago and it was not immediately linked to my 'real' identity. I've also asked it some other spicy questions about stuff I won't reveal here. Again. Months ago, and by it's own admission if something is reported, it will be acted upon almost immediately. If something is super illegal (as in, I want to kill so-and-so individual) it not only reports it for immediate review but also reports the relevant law enforcement right away.
Chatgpt told me this.
The only way to use chatgpt if you must is with A: a throwaway email (must be reusable) such as those on darknet emails or something that doesnt link it to you by name (such as proton or tutamail). B: over the Tor network.
Char GPT told you what you asked it to tell you. It has no awareness of itself or ita processes outside the context window.
You're anthropomorphizing de machine.
The only way to use chatgpt if you must is
-To use it over API.
Or, preferably, literally any other LLM API that isn't such a censored privacy nightmare.
The problem here is that most percieve ChatGPT as the only chatbot in existance... It's not, not even close.
Also, ChatGPT is really bad at spitting out its own policy, FYI. expect it to randomly hallucinate stuff.
I use Grok. Truly free ai, but you leftists love authoritarianism control upon others. Right comrades?
I'm not even sure which elements of this are bait, sarcasm, or douche
See? Even the people who make AI don't trust it with important decisions. And the "trained" humans don't even see it if the AI doesn't flag it first. This is just a microcosm of why AI is always the weakest link in any workflow.
This is exactly the use-case for an LLM and even OpenAI can't make it work.
I don't think it is. LLM is language generating tool, not language understanding one.
That is actually incorrect. It is also a language understanding tool. You don't have an LLM without NLP. NLP includes processing and understanding natural language.