A jeweler friend of mine banned from /r/somethingimade because he recreate a ring found in a viking burial site with inscription "for allah" citing it promotes terrorism.
the mod said they will unban him if he remove the post in /r/viking
Islamophobia still get a pass on the internet. Especially on Reddit.
it very much also gets a pass IRL
it gets a pass everywhere, the decades of propaganda against arabic people via, bush's wars had a generational effect. but criticism against christianity, is where they draw the line.
This is particularly dumb considering that Allah is the arabic translation for God. Even Christian arabs use Allah.
Yes. Before Bush Islamaphobia was still promoted to justify the Cold War. This is probably the one miserable thing that doesn't originate from Reagan.
Reddit has always been a fascist shithole... At least since the state murdered aaron...
state murdered aaron
I want a President do declare Aaron Swartz Day a day of national mourning and shame, with hopeful reflection on the immense value of open source & creative commons. Maybe with a public investment in open source commons like browser or mobile OS.
Yes this is my hobby horse and I am riding it
I mean, that's the standard of moderation for any online space. Lemmy isn't any better it's just more benevolent.
Lemmy is better because there are open standards and alternate servers.
Humans are mostly all the same; incentives pervert or ennoble us.
Centralized power and monetary incentive tend to the former
This made me realize that, throughout basically all of Viking history, Islam was already a thing. Curious.
"Allah" is also simply the Arabic word for God, and was actually also used there before Islam.
Although there could be further clues that link these rings to Islam, of course.
Yeah, "Allah" is what Lebanese, Syrian, and other Arab Christians have called their Christian God as well.
Most likely they raided Spain when it was Al-Andalus.
Tho vikings did have a phase where they served as bodyguards in Byzantine empire. They definetely bought stuff from a muslim merchant.
Second point is more interesting because not one history teacher I had went over how focused mediveal muslims were when topic came to merchants. Last prophet in Islam was a regular merchant until he was past 40.
You can imagine trading becoming a core part of religious culture over time. To this day you can negotiate prices when buying anything from any religious muslim by saying "The Prophet used to bargain."
Possible, but they also just straight up had trade relations. Viking weapons were sometimes made with Arab iron, for example, because they had the best in the world at the time.
The only surviving account of a "Viking funeral" we have is from a Muslim traveler named ibn Fadlan traveling among the Volga Vikings.
"Viking history" is pretty late. While Norse culture is much older, the (written) history about it only started when christian or muslim scholars started to write it down. And they only did that once the vikings started raiding and trading with the christian and muslim world at around 800 CE. They established trade networks and colonies along the big rivers of eastern Europe and reached the black sea and Caspian sea, which is most likely the origin of the ring the post is about.
Islam was founded 600 CE so yes, you are right.
The most absurd about this imo. is that Arabic is considered promoting terrorism, but Vikings are not.
To be fair, only one of your examples exist in real life, why would media constantly try and ruin the image of Vikings? Ie. Roman republic and empire, loved by western culture, were basically ancient nazis.
Roman republic and empire, loved by western culture, were basically ancient nazis.
This is one of the hardest things to realize after a lifetime of indoctrination, but it explains sooo much about white-supremacist (aka western) "culture".
Mod didn't even hesitate to go full mask off there. Bloody hell
Yeah, it’s actually kind of rare to see a traitor lunatic just straight up admit to their bigotry so openly.
Remove it so they unban you.
Post it again, and add all this history too.
Immediately unsubscribe from their shit sub.
Just delete all the content and then stop posting: posting again has almost no effect as the mods have no social life and will manually delete the post within minutes, almost nobody would have the time to read it
Reddit and Islamophobia name a better combo
Denim and beans
Reddit sucks
Centralized, corporate information sources suck
Fedi FTW
You speak the true-true
The most incredible thing was that the guy got a reply from a mod. That never happened to me when I got banned from subs.
One thing I learned from reddit is that if you breathe wrong, you will get permabanned and accused of racism and if you try and argue your case, you will be ignored.
I don't miss that site.
Your friend's rings look really nice btw.
he's a very talented jewelcrafter. im not sure you can promote on lemmy but you can google his name and see his website
Your friend is very talented! Got a little chuckle out of the wolf head eating putin's head xD The little punk duck pendant 🤌 I love how he does so many different things and you can clearly see he's just having fun with his craft and challenging himself. His recreations of old jewelry is super fascinating. I hope he never stops making these little works of art 🤗
Lemmy is pretty much there now. Been banned from a few and you either get back a hostile explanation or none at all. Hurt feelings gets you banned. IMO Lemmy shouldn’t have a ban option for mods, let the downvotes do the talking
A shitty mod that should lose their mod status and/or have the sub suspended temporarily.
Its not even Islamic, arab-speaking Christians say they worship Allah too, its literally just a translation.
Dios! Gott! Kami!
but can't say Allah... go figures....
Some of us Atheists unironically wear religious stuff because it looks stylish, because the words sound cool, or because we like and appreciate the fandom of a particular story, even if we realize people made it all up. I can wear Dr Who swag for the same reasons.
I don’t think reddit would actually stand for this. We’re not that far down the road…yet.
reddit must be going hard on the anti-palestine rhetoric. if the mods wont ban you, the site filters would eventually. im seeing quite alot of shadowbannings that dont make sense.
Not even a new thing either, just much worse now. I know a mod who got banned for making a post about boycotting Israel in his own sub of very obvious anti Israel supporters.
Admin banned <1 hour, wiped his post with almost a hundred comments, and then threatened the other two or three mods to fall in line or face the entire sub getting banned or mod replaced.
About 4 years ago, left reddit shortly afterwards when a similar situation happened to r/dankvideos where the admin team nuked ~6 months worth of posts and banned the mod for not moderating content to their agenda.
i heard in another forum where the mods were unilaterally removed by reddit.~ reddit just wants to be a facebook clone, a word that REDDIT ALSO blocks.
Yeah that's a big reason why I left. The amount of institutional support for genocide on reddit is absolutely gross but unfortunately totally normal.
The Moderators of a viking themed subreddit being racists? No way!
Disgusting and such a clear example of the damage we do to another when we accept the all encompassing conditions of corporate social media without resistance.
When a social media website is being run for profit, this kind of shockingly ugly simplification of "foreign" ideas (Islam is NOT foreign to the US) is inveitable. In order to monetize at scale, the system demands this degree of ignorance, it is not optional nor an unintended side effect it is rather how "we" ensure the "right" history is recorded as a racist, xenophobic society choking to death on its own bigotry.
It is the same situation with mainstream corporate news. The more money you add, the more practiced and willful ignorance you get.
Nah this isn’t corporate influence, it’s just plain old bigotry and racism. This smells strongly of “brown religion bad”.
A lot of Americans fell victim to this after 9/11 and it never went away. Anything Muslim is terrorism. I doubt most of them even know that allah is just the name they use for their god, and certainly not that it’s the same god as the Christian god.
allah is just the name they use for their god
Christian Arabs use this name for God as well
This smells strongly of “brown religion bad”.
Jesus was a brown, middle eastern, palestinian jew.
It’s not a name. It’s literally just the word “God” in Arabic.
almost any comment against christianity=bad, even MEDIA/MSN dont touch this, but more than happy to frame muslims as a violent sexist religion, eventhough christianity has DONE ALOT worst.
No one is stoning anyone until I blow this whistle, even if they do say Jehovah
Lots of overlap between ‘viking enthusiasts’ and white supremacists unfortunately. This specifically seems more christofascist but obviously lots of overlap there too.
https://www.norwegianamerican.com/viking-symbols-stolen-racists/
Guy probably got confused when confronted with "conflicting" ideologies, i.e viking jewelry with Arabic inscriptions.
Also, it says "for god", since it is a translation. In the ideological state of things it is kinda inviting prejudice to translate half the phrase.
They got it from pillaging probably, right?
Mods are always the actual dumbest most power tripping little fuckers. (InB4 banned from this com)
Edit: This is actually just straight up racist / xenophobic the more I think about it.
Mods are always [...]
You mean Reddit mods, right?
There's sadly way too many mods like that here too
Mods are always
Generalizations are fun, aren't they?
the actual dumbest most power tripping little fuckers.
This is actually just straight up racist / xenophobic
No, more just anti-authoritarian like an ACAB teen. Racism would have been easy to spot if you'd called the mods a racial slur .
These cancerous fuckers from another sub perma banned my 10 year old account. Because I only asked any content creators like Joey Swoll that comment on bad gym etiquettes. No explanation, no response, just nothing.. Reddit is even worse than X, Facebook. I hope it dies off completely as it's a tumor growing on the internet.
reddit sucks. But it is not worse then Facebook.
which cancer is worse
all of them, esp when we have a cure (Fedi/OpenSource)
1000 year old? How dare this dude threaten us with scary Arabic numerals
Check out my handle people. I was permabanned because a mod form one of the subs had a personal vendetta against me, he or she ended up reporting me to Reddit HQ citing racism when I had a civil and celebrated comment on the sub. The topic was regarding poverty as an identity amongst young people in my country, obviously I got permabanned so I decided to leave Reddit as a whole, since the Reddit mods do not want to establish any kind of conversation so I could explain the situation in a better way. I was a 17 year active user as well, I am sure the mod who banned me was not even there when I signed up.
I started a new account a few months back and had to start building karma, so I was commenting a lot in the subs for new users. Every other day there was a post about "why can't I post?" "Am I banned already?" etc. becasue reddit is trash, and I would respond explaining about karma thresholds and bots, and how reddit mostly doesn't care about new people all that much.
I got a 3-day ban for "pushing an agenda" - which is backed by plenty of evidence that any mod of any community can see. But if you have an opinion that doesn't work with a mod, out you go.
I regularly write my God's name on things. It's an ancient Polynesian God, Fu'Ksa'Kes
It's important to be respectful for fu'ksa'kes
I love that band
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Allah
Etymologically, the name Allah is probably a contraction of the Arabic al-Ilāh, “the God.” The name’s origin can be traced to the earliest Semitic writings in which the word for god was il, el, or eloah, the latter two used in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). Allah is the standard Arabic word for God and is used by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews as well as by Muslims. The association of the word specifically with Islam comes from the special status of Arabic as the language of Islam’s holy scripture, the Qurʾān: since the Qurʾān in its original language is considered to be the literal word of God, it is believed that God described himself in the Arabic language as Allāh (which is written as الله). The Arabic word thus holds special significance for Muslims, regardless of their native tongue, because the Arabic word was spoken by God himself.
I got shadow banned from the entire site for making a popular post about diy Luigi prayer candles on witches vs patriarchy.
its too easy to get shadowbanned, even if your not making any controversial statement. they are currently kept alive on AI-posts, and bots anyways. if they actually do an actual purge on the bots, reddit will be a ghost town.
I got banned from Witches vs Patriarchy because I got into an argument with somebody who was saying only bottom surgery counted as gender affirming care. My stance was that top surgery is also gender affirmative, but the mods said thats transphobia. I don't get it.
Edit: accidentally a word
I got reddit ban once for saying that some paedophiles are so bad, that lots of people think they should get the death penalty.
Community ban from r/unitedkingdom, followed swiftly by...
Reddit is a vast network of communities that are created, run, and populated by people all over the world. In order to keep communities welcoming, safe, and great places to be, everyone who uses the platform operates by a shared set of rules.
Permanently banned for hate
Reddit is moderated by the worst people in the world.
I got banned for the same reason after a comment that contained a direct, attributed quote from Donald trump. TBF he is a hateful little shit so I probably should have known better.
I got reddit ban once for saying that some paedophiles are so bad, that lots of people think they should get the death penalty.
Tbf, some people are hiding their LGBT-phobia under the guise of "i hate pedophiles", I'm not accusing you of anything, but I can see how that statement could be problematic.
Wait, there's more!
Pedophilia is a sexual/romantic interest in prepubescent children. Most pedophiles never engage sexually with a child, and a good share of child molesters are not pedophiles and are just looking for easy victims.
So on top of potentially shitting on LGBT community, this also concerns people born with a shitty sexual interest that know full well kids should never be abused.
And the rates of pedophilia seem to be higher among child sexual abuse survivors, so they get death threats on top of their trauma. Not great.
Honestly that sub is a cesspool anyways, you're better off without it lmao
I'd ban you for that damn arrow that tricked me into trying to swipe to the next picture... twice... ok thrice ffs
Glad I'm not the only one! :D
What dipshits.
I wonder how this guy would react to the existance of the Arabic Christians.
The oriental orthodox and assyrian church of the east would blow their mind.
Or Arabic numerals.
They'd react in wonder and reverence, then immediately forget about their existence for the rest of their life while continuing to actively support their literal genocide in Palestine.
Reddit sucks ass, and not in a good way.
Cancels account
Username checks out?
It really does, but lemmy really isn't much better, it just sucks in a different way :[
Yup. I'm using both of them and they both have their downsides. For now having them both means the disappointments kind of cancel out, though.
I got banned from the entirety of reddit a couple days ago for daring to say that people on the NYC subway should stand up for themselves against a violent thug who attacked a sleeping passenger for tik tok, so I'm not really surprised. And I can't even prove that's what I was banned for since they deleted my comment LOL
Let me guess - promoting violence?
That shit is so stupid lol. I wish hacker groups would fuck with reddit.
They didn't even have the decency to give al reason.
yeah I got permabanned and IP blocked for saying the same kind of stuff
yet people can say "Indians are ruining our country and should be run over" and the mods and admins will explicitly approve it by denying reports
its either that, or a indiscriminate shadowban by thier AI for "botting" and appeals dont work for 90% of the time.
It's a big 'ol YOU HAVE BEEN PERMANENTLY SUSPENDED FROM REDDIT popup that shows up if I try to interact with the site at all. Very serious, very official, very stupid if I'm honest. I don't really care what the real reason for the ban was, I had been thinking that I spent too much time scrollng on that site recently so they did me a favor.
I dislike all religion for obvious reasons. Example, god would never allow the mass starvation of children no matter which god. He doesn't work in mysterious ways. But freedom of speech to allow me to express my freedom to not believe in any god and to call god and any political party and or company stupid is Paramount to anything else.
I don't get it, I don't see any religious connotations and the rings look cool.
Example, god would never allow the mass starvation of children no matter which god.
What makes you think that? Your concept of a god is that if they exist they would conform to human ideals of good or that their own rules would apply to them. You could instead argue that if god isn't good then they therefore do not deserve to be worshiped which is a fair argument as well. However, if god does exist, does not conform to human ideals of good, and there are consequences for not believing in it or obeying it's orders then you're just up shits creek.
Just to throw out some examples from the bible but God allowed Satan to torment Job because Job was a loyal and good person, God allowed Lot to offer his daughters for rape rather than some angels, God turned Lots wife into salt for looking in a direction, God flooded the world and killed everyone but one small family, the plagues of Egypt, when the Israelites came to the promised land they encountered other civilizations which God told them to kill every man, woman, child, and beast. We don't need to look at modern examples, we don't get past the old testament without it being clear that if the Christian (or Jewish for that matter) God exists he doesn't follow his own rules.
I don't know other religions as well as Christianity, but considering Islam, Judaism, and Christianity share some commonalities I'm going to lump them together. In Greek mythology the gods are straight up sadistic at times and the people were supposed to be ok with it, Hera tormented Hercules for being born and the Trojan War was started because one god didn't get invited to another god's wedding. I don't know a lot about the Aztec gods, but as far as I can tell it was believed they required human sacrifice at least on some frequency. I'm sure there are more examples in other religions, but the fundamental argument is the same.
I'm not really trying to change your mind, I myself would probably be closer to agnositic, but a lot of atheists try to logic their way around the existence of god as if god is another person when in reality the relationship may be similar to you conversing with an ant. You might be right and god doesn't exist, but to say they don't exist because they allow suffering in the world is fundamentally counter to what most religions say about their god(s).
god would never allow the mass starvation of children no matter which god.
Pretty simplistic conception of god.
That's the assumption that god is benevolent and would like to not murder people. Any other god doesn't deserve any admiration.
If there was nothing to tell you that those gods exist then you'd never know and wouldn't be bothered by connecting bad or good things to the existence of a god.
But as we know, Gazan people and Ukrainians are being murdered every day for ~the past 5 years. At any point of those 5 years of suffering god could have stopped it. But nah, ratchet it some more instead. and that's reason enough to not believe in a god or to even hate an asshole in power who won't move a finger to prevent suffering. And I don't need to stand on moral high ground. I think most of us could agree that feeding the hungry is the logical thing a good person would be doing at this time.
I'm trying to come up with a reasonable context for words "for Allah". When have you heard anyone say "For Jesus"? In what scenario would you say it?
"Jesus saves", "God is my co-pilot", "OMG", "god is love", "the lord is my savior", "christ is king", etc etc etc...
It's literally everywhere in English. I'm constantly bombarded with the exact same stuff that the brainwashed cry about when it's "allah".
The Crusades?
The Crusades 2 (In Development)?
The mind set just might have been a lot different from how we think today.......
And if you want a copy of a 1000 year old ring, you really should copy it and not edit it to fit someone else's notions about religion.
Reddit mods are like, the pus from a festering wound
Such hypocrites. If it was about God or Jesus, no problem. Reddit hates people having different opinions. They prefer bots instead.
If it was about God
The irony of this is that Allah literally means God.
It's usually called islamophobia more than irony.
Allah is known in Christianity as God the Father, part of Trinity. Being an Abrahamic religion, Islam simply expands on Christianity, while describing much the same characters.
Except Muslims do not recognize the Trinity as a thing; God the Holy Spirit is to them Archangel Gabriel, and Jesus (Isa) is a prophet, not a Son of God.
It's the same god ffs! Allah and god the father are the same person.
Are they the same three people though?
Sort of. Jesus exists in Islam, but only as a prophet, not as part of the triad.
So god and the holy ghost are the same, but Jesus is sort of a third wheel.
The holy trinity! Jahweh, Allah and Deus.
(Technically all just mean god, but saying just "God god and god" seems so redundant.)
Not in their traditions, but in reality, yes.
these rings are cool as fuck
At least they banned you to your face. I keep getting shadowbanned...
Did someone say something? Weird...
Who said that?!
spez uses AI-assisted profiling to have mods determine if a member's content is ideologically-biased and make comments about violence, and usually anyone using violent language even casually is marked for a permaban. So by this rule a lot were permabanned, many of them progressives.
that and they are generally preventing new accounts from emerging too.
A reddit mod with a power trip is a hilarious thing. Pathetic that they were banned.
Why even go to that cesspool of site to begin with?
Still too big, and it used to be better. I don't know where on Lemmy I would go for nerding out about the Vikings yet and we need to get that stuff established
!archaeology@mander.xyz cries out for content! I think this being a reproduction of an actual artifact would make it okay to post there.
For that matter, why even have a community for that cesspool of a site on Lemmy? Most of us came here to get away from that drivel.
I was going there for porn for awhile, but even that's turned to shit. Everything is an OnlyFans ad.
Interestingly, today I have seen a video pop up in which a guy (Bjorn Andreas Bull-Hansen) claims he is being persecuted by Islamic investors because he is refusing to talk about there being Muslim Vikings. Is it maybe related to this? Is this some new discovery that there were Muslim Vikings?
Just as a side note- this is a genuine question, and I have my skepticism towards Bull-Hansen that he is pretty much a right-wing reactionary judging by his videos during the last few years, but I am just wondering are these somehow connected.
What I'm seeing here is
It's the mods I don't understand here. FFS they can't even lose their paying jobs. The only explanation I see is that they do it for the sake of playing smalltown sheriff. But it's not even fun, it's just fucked up.
I'm a mod on a regional discord server and used to mod forums back in the day. I just make sure people don't threaten each other and I ban the spambots. How do people let this shit go to their heads so much? Goddamn.
I used to be a mod myself and I soon got into trouble with the power hungry boss mod because I pointed out (very politely I must say) their erratic decisions and vitriolic comments to the users they banned.
One thing I soon learned while moderating is to use separate acounts if you plan to also interact with the community. It helps with keeping a distance and relative objectivity.
they got it from other sources than reddit.
fascist takeover complete
The rings are really beautiful
GOD is EXTREMISM and rEDDIT is EUPHORIC
I am enlightened by my own intelligence.
Ok Hiram, you go to the northern lands to sell steel, as part of the plan.
What plan?
Never mind, you just sell steel ro the infidels.
But if there's a plan, maybe I...
You just sell steel!
... a thousand years go by ...
Look at this ring, it looks like Arabic script.
.... thiusands of kilometers away.....
Finally! The plan is coming together!
Time to bring your friend to lemmy
May subs use scripts to moderate also which is very lazy. If you want to give warnings that is fine but they shouldn't be used to ban. The worst are the subs that ban based on you leaving a comment in a sub they don't like regardless of context. That should violate reddit rules because it blocks users from participating across the app and violates their access without any warning.
I agree that it's bullshit to ban someone from your group because they are subbed to a group that you don't like. For subs that fear brigading by people that disagree with the intent of their group all they have to do is set up a "FLAIR' policy. You ask the mod for flair. They do a quick check of your history and they allow you access.
In general if you invest just a bit of time on research you will unfortunately find that one political leaning much more than the other bans people simply because they belong to a group that they don't like.
Welcome to the fediverse @SnorriGrisomson@reddit.com! Where we value craftmanship and education especially when it leads to quality OC.
"Hallelujah!" Sounds way better in Arabic.
Main points aside, are these made from pull tabs? Cause they look like DIY pull tab rings.
Keep dreaming little one....
Lemmy isnt any better, I’ve been banned from a few Lemmy communities for wrong think or cause someone got mad that I disagreed with them. When you ask for clarification you get the same hostile bullshit that Reddit mods had. Having people mod communities is always gonna fail, because someone with a power trip and hurt feelings will always she the one applying to be the mod
Being banned by overt islamophobia is generally worse than vague complaints about "wrong think". Suspicious AF.
The only people im phobic about is Americans, and im indigenous so…
"God": Based. Cool. Trad. The foundation of Western Civilization. Protected by the first amendment. Maybe we'd all be a little better of we honored him more.
"God" but in Arabic: Extremist. Scary. Woke. A corrupting influence on the global politics. Clear and present danger. We need to expunge it from our nation and the world.
That applies to pretty much every arabic word.
Or dildos that look Arabic...
It's not just limited to Arabic words: Arabic Numbers are scary, too....
Wait to they find out about Arabic numbers and start banning upvotes and downvotes
In Germany someone trolled a mayor candidate of one of the Nazi parties with that. He fell for it
https://www.politico.eu/article/far-right-german-candidate-promises-to-get-rid-of-arabic-numerals
The funniest part of this is they’re literally the same god.
It’s all different forms of YHWH, Judaism, Islam, Christianity.
It’s all the same god with the fanfic changed up a little.
Don't you dare attempt to explain that to an Evangelical Christian though
Wanna know something even funnier? Look up the word for "God" in Aramaic, the language Jesus spoke.
Jesud called God in a way similar to "Allah".
https://dictionary.aramean.institute/word.html?i=1
Even within the same religion it's the same word; Arabic Christians and Jews use the word 'Allah'